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Re: Is there a second wave?
C. Yes, it would be interesting to see if large outdoor gatherings can spread the virus, but the riots and protests are not necessarily helpful in answering that question.  Unlike most gatherings, the protesters often didn't know each other or record each others' names, so impossible to know who was near whom. 

how about public announcement: if you were at X protest on Y day at Z time, get yourself tested

June 15, 2020, 10:15:41 PM
Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
The problem is in this country we are governed by laws not a religion. So for this discussion any religion is completely meaningless.
nobody advocated governing by anything other than the law of the land. when my local cop starts enforcing halacha, meet me in supreme court.
that's the law by which the police govern, not what defines moral right and wrong.

June 15, 2020, 10:31:42 PM
Re: yeshivas that are open
How long should we wait until some here are convinced that our community is safe?
The argument made by those better equipped is that high percentage of antibodies /assumed immunity combined with no new sources of infection.

What happens later this week, when 10s (or more) susceptible out of towners with your attitude decide it's OK to ignore the plea of rabbonim and doctors not to visit? Do we risk introducing new infection source to the remaining susceptible population?
Just in time for 770s superspread grand reopening

June 21, 2020, 10:52:39 AM
Re: yeshivas that are open And I'm serious about the attitude. I get that masks are more uncomfortable for @ExGingi than for the rest of us (or is the discomfort in needing to cede some self assurance)
But why does my mask bother you? (not you, the next guy)
Why was I heckled out of a farbrenen yesterday for wearing one?
That's the attitude I'm afraid will start the new wave

June 21, 2020, 10:57:58 AM
Re: yeshivas that are open And I'm not even talking about the silent-shaming/dirty looks/questioning 2 hours before that. Just the outright yelling/cursing/heckling that said what everyone else was thinking
June 21, 2020, 12:16:04 PM
Re: yeshivas that are open
Yes, people wearing masks are the exception rather than the rule in the community. I would guess most get asked in surprise if they didn't have any symptoms. But their own mask wearing is respected, as well as more mask compliance around if indeed a person that hasn't had symptoms is present.
That was 2 weeks ago for me.
I'm no grasshopper, but let's forget the silent stuff. Let's stick with the 3 comments in as many minutes that were unambiguous.
Yes your generation are more respectful. Your kids generation, in the other hand, are more self assured than you, and more black and white (and all they hear from their parents is "אוי ס'איז שווער צו זיין א איד מציל נפשות")

June 21, 2020, 12:36:51 PM
Re: Out Of Control Fireworks
You need to stop it at the source.
the source is in gracie mansion.
with all due sympathy for those who can't sleep, the main problem here is lawlessness. when the city chief executive at whose pleasure the heroes in blue serve has ordered LE to 'stand down', the message to criminals/lowlifes/vilde chayos etc. 'go have a blast, do whatever you please' לית דין ולית דיין. the danger in that goes a lot further than a few sleepless nights.
how many black lives were snuffed out in one night last night by gun violence racist police absence? 20 shooting deaths in one day across the city? how many were 'black or brown bodies'? do their lives matter? and how safe are we?
that must be "the source" that @CountValentine is looking for

on that note
Where are they getting all the fireworks?
if anyone knows the answer to this, I know some bored teens with no summer camp who would love some fun at 2 in the afternoon instead of 2 in the morning. can we hook them up?

June 21, 2020, 10:44:48 PM
Re: Out Of Control Fireworks
I wonder after having a month שכולו July 4, what will be left for Macy's to be mechadesh on July 4?
start with what's left of macys period...

June 22, 2020, 12:32:12 AM
Re: Out Of Control Fireworks
Lawlessness and anarchy is the theme of the month!
what's next month?

June 22, 2020, 10:20:21 PM
Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
I'm confused. Why would escalation and charge backs work here? And why should they?
if they aren't accepting your returns, on what basis are they discarding them? They should return them to you at your expense

June 24, 2020, 12:11:51 PM
Re: Evolution and the age of the universe You should start keeping CY again
June 29, 2020, 12:04:13 AM
Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
once social distancing is kept.
a big assumption in our communities...

I've been called "the only guy in ch still wearing one" (or heckled, as discussed) for wearing in crowded indoor settings

Have you seen 770 lately? A wedding? A grocery store?

July 02, 2020, 11:45:05 AM
Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?  My point is that
when social distancing is adhered to.
is an irrelevant hypothetical.

Let's talk about the benefits they bring in the real world situations we live in.

July 02, 2020, 12:10:22 PM
Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
Forgot to mention another good reason (though it's highly doubtful, as if I understand correctly reinfections are asymptomatic): During my bout with COVID-19 I managed to shed about 20lbs of bodyweight (and regained about 5 since). Dropping another 15lbs will get me even closer to my target weight.
I'm not sure where you get that reinfections are asymptomatic

July 05, 2020, 04:52:50 AM
Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
I guess you avoided 770 on Shabbos.
do you wonder why?
unlike you, I wasn't hit in round 1, and -also unlike you- I have no interest in getting hit in round 2.
with out-of-towners (from hotspots) outnumbering masks 10-1 i figured I didn't belong. (even if this week I finally wouldn't get heckled for my mask, as I might have the excuse of taking the notices at face value)
I would say that about 1% of people wore masks.
wow, that's a real uptick

I have a friend who initially panicked about being forced to wear a mask, as per the notice put out by the Gaboim/Kratz, but when I explained to him that those notices can only be used to wipe one's hands, not other places, as they can cause rectal bleeding, his panic subsided. Not a word printed on those notices was meant seriously even for a split second by those who published them.
that's a very respectful way for you to describe a psak from our beloved local rabbonim. I'm having flashbacks to the late nun's, the way some lefty neighbors used to talk...

July 06, 2020, 11:53:53 PM
Re: The science of COVID-19
I can't figure out why you insist on using lockdowns interchangeably with "Using a mask and being cautious" when you are well aware this is not the case. I have come to expect much more intellectual honesty from you than this, but that seems to have disappeared as soon as the discussion is about covid.
in my experience, the loudest protestations against masks and precautions, especially protesting mocking being concerned for the discomfort of those who do maintain those protections, usually comes from the people who are themselves feeling the most guilty about their own lack of precaution. the guy heckling your mask is th guy who himself didn't get it yet either

(or maybe he did, but he's well informed, on the cutting edge of DDF, and has started worrying about reinfection)

July 09, 2020, 01:26:04 PM
Re: Translating a Yiddish diary From the war I know this guy does translation of this type of stuff

Rabbi Yehuda Altein
(347) 423-5734
(Yiddish/Hebrew to English; specializes in handwritten family material)

I may know some others as well

July 16, 2020, 06:48:44 PM
Re: How can you spot a Trump supporter?
And so is all our livelihoods, our sanity, and health not pertaining to Covid.
Has the effectiveness of a mask ever been proven?  Heck, even anecdotal evidence supporting it is lacking. If we're way ahead of peak capacity, or way behind, why slow this nightmare?  Speed it the hell up.
lockdowns, not masks, affect your livelihood and those other things.
You're drawing a false equivalence or a straw man to justify your laziness.

July 17, 2020, 03:36:49 AM
Re: How can you spot a Trump supporter?
Tell that to people who have mental health challanges. I know people who have gone into serious depression over the lockdown. They get triggered over seeing someone with a mask.
Don't assume I'm talking about your "uneducated trumpers." I'm talking about people with real mental issues.
what's the connection between the two?

July 17, 2020, 08:16:34 AM
Re: Masks Oh, and CV spells and grammars like yeshivish
July 17, 2020, 12:35:46 PM
Re: How can you spot a Trump supporter? If by 'panic' you mean not 'panic attack' but 'an uncomfortable reminder of a sad reality we live in' then I fail to see why that's a reason for me not to take minimum steps to protect myself and those around me. Sad reality don't care about your feelings
July 18, 2020, 11:53:01 PM
Re: How can you spot a Trump supporter? @Jeremiah what are these common sense precautions of which you speak?
July 19, 2020, 11:27:00 AM
Re: Correct spelling of Yiddish/Jewish names
Interesting. Didn't know that רייכל was different than רחל. Also they're spelling it (incorrectly?) with two yuds.
רעכיל is absolutely separate from רחל.
Dunno about the hebraized spelling

July 19, 2020, 11:35:32 AM
Re: Masks And like with vaccines, when the other 97 precent are covered, you can skip
July 19, 2020, 12:28:57 PM
Re: Do You Really Think Dan Didn't Read The Baby Present Thread?? Great place for referral discussions then
July 26, 2020, 11:12:46 PM
Re: Stella Immanuel Asks Why We Don't Prescribe Prophylactic Hydroxychloroquine
As I said
I'm not expecting anyone to compare that simchas Torah with the current situation. What I am asking is to take one's current knowledge, attitudes and feelings and imagine themselves back then and there, and try to be honest as to what they would hold/feel/do back then.
one good way to measure;
When each person's own local rabbonim, rebbes and leaders did give guidance, did they accept them with simplicity? Or start calculating כוונה פנימית, that The rabbi really meant otherwise "if he meant what he said then he would..." (this being the actual example in the reshima)
Likewise, arguments in the basis of global economy, as well as personal comfort, logical and accurate as they may be, are products of sechel and of self, not of emunah peshuta

July 30, 2020, 02:24:33 PM
Re: COVID Testing Due To Travel
Bit of a drive from Brooklyn but definitely not a deal breaker!  Thanks!
if you fly out of Newark Monsey will be less of a detour

August 06, 2020, 11:49:00 AM
Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Why do we have to label everyone?
to explain that lack of cinuch options wasn't an issue, as they have none here either

August 07, 2020, 09:33:17 AM
Re: Getting Corona Virus Twice By
OMG. @gozalim did you see this sentece:

No scientific studies, no PhD endorsements, nothing, just plain old using simple tools granted to all of us by our creator.
From them a lot stronger than from you

August 07, 2020, 12:01:31 PM
Re: Getting Corona Virus Twice Agav, @ExGingi I thought of you when I came across this sicha last week.
Make of it what you will

August 07, 2020, 12:05:43 PM
Re: Getting Corona Virus Twice In absence of proven data, we take the best information we can get.
With people who have the training to equippe them to understand what they're seeing, (and the combined expertise of multiple people) and they then also did a thorough collection of the available local data (not just the anecdotes they happen to bump into), it's the best data we're gonna get, especially regarding the actual location they're monitoring

August 07, 2020, 12:20:48 PM
Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
Very seldom do I accuse you of reading comprehension but:New York is a place.
China is a plate

August 18, 2020, 09:47:20 AM
Re: US Politics/2020 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
Honey I am independent and I am going to color my hair purple. That is great as long as you are not seen in public.  ::)
why do you assume that it is someone else dictating to her wether and when to be seen in public? as opposed to her own choices of if, when and how to be seen?

August 19, 2020, 01:31:32 AM
Re: Lakewood cases
I thought that they recently decided that it was most likely an anomaly.
there were potential cases a month ago, which by a week ago seemed to be assumed an anomaly.
This week has a new outbreak, with more such cases and 'better documentation' that it is indeed reinfection, they're now questioning the assumption of it being an anomaly.
Essentially updating the guidance to be more wary even if previously infected

August 19, 2020, 11:11:28 AM
Re: Infertility treatments or alternatives? Also, AYLOR.
Not all treatments are created equal in the eyes of halacha. Your LOR may vary.

August 26, 2020, 11:32:53 AM
Re: Lakewood cases
It's sad that this is a thing going around Whatsapp...

and there's shailos being raised now on recent geirim now wearing masks...


August 30, 2020, 08:13:44 PM
Re: California Education Department Pushing anti-Semitic and anti-Israel curriculum?
Welcome to California land of the insane.
cereal bowl of the USA, chock full of fruits, nuts and flakes

September 06, 2020, 11:16:54 AM
Re: Lakewood covid cases
Ding ding ding, we have a winner.
doesn't make your case look good

September 07, 2020, 01:02:59 PM
Re: Masks
There are those that say it is daas torah to not wear a mask. Don't shoot the messenger.
I haven't experienced those.
(in my circles talk radio is qouted as own opinion, or fact, not blamed on torah)

September 07, 2020, 01:25:06 PM
Re: Lakewood covid cases
you have been arguing till blue in the face that anyone pro mask is a sadist, paranoid, and wishing for a 2nd wave.

when after all they were just hoping to prevent
At this point it's obvious that there will need to be at least a few deaths before anything changes.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

September 07, 2020, 02:36:11 PM
Re: Lakewood covid cases

Please, do enlighten me where I said any of that.
I must have confused you for someone;u=33389;area=showposts

though if you insist here's 1
Thr part that you've been sitting here for months waiting, hoping, and yearning for a breakout. Now that cases are popping up your jumping for joy with all your grand plans of how your really smarter and can fix things. Let everyone live nobody cares what anybody on ddf posts. Shuls will be open regular, so will schools and weddings. Whether any of these things change will have less than 0% of anything to do with your posting fear mongering messages. If you really want to make a difference open a tehillim and say a few perakim that everyone should be healthy.... its elul.

September 07, 2020, 04:55:09 PM
Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
There comes a certain point where common sense needs to be used, regardless of emotional reactions to the hypocrisy and senselessness of politicians. Right now we're talking about ignoring guidance from the doctors we actually do trust. That doesn't make much sense to me.
But more relevant; the only form of blameless that this virus recognizes is peaceful protests

September 13, 2020, 10:46:10 AM
Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
Is the circle endless or is the dancing endless?
...asked the hamster

September 14, 2020, 01:53:18 PM
Re: Unemployment Help
Update (NJ)
Now people, cheer me up.
FWIW can I lend you $100?

September 15, 2020, 11:00:47 AM
Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
Stam interesting, the rovs father in law is walking around in 770 with no mask
dunno that he takes orders from anyone... or that he can be kept from 770 for any length of time (mor than @ExGingi if you can imagine that)...

The rov said to listen to the doctors, besides dr rosen and the gedalia society there are other doctors in ch and at least one of them has said that makes don't help
If I don't wear a mask I'm still following the rov bc I'm listening to a dr

What makes dr rosen and the gedalia society expert dr in corona virus? That's not there field
Dr rosen is a pediatrician and the person who is in charge of the gedalia society I believe is either a radiologist or anesthesiologist
Just like in other fields, for example law I don't go to a divorce lawyer for bankruptcy, so too by Corona it should work like that
as others here have said 'follow your rov', similarly here, follow your own רופא ידיד.
the benefit that he/they have is possibly:
*larger number of patients so bigger data pool
*the benefit of multiple people/professionals able to pool their energy and expertise on the topic
*they seem to be collecting data in coordination with hatzalah as well as the other local practices

and possibly העיקר
they're actually making statements on guidance beyond their own patients. so for public 'leadership' it's kinda the only voice there is

September 15, 2020, 03:36:28 PM
Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
what happened to: "i'm not a doctor, listen to what they say"? how does he even have an opinion that 770 should be closed?
Bichlal, the only thing that's clear, is that he's not making himself clear.
you'll notice that the entire "opinion that it be closed" is all drawn from that phone call that we all heard. The news site took that statement and is dragging it. Listen to the recording again

September 15, 2020, 10:23:41 PM
Re: Chochom Einov B'Roishoi How about we keep all criticism an critique of raabonim (including the 'legitimate/important' criticism) out of this thread, in the name of keeping it constructive
September 29, 2020, 12:24:51 AM
Re: Crown Heights as a COVID-19 lab
This past week has been absolutely infuriating. The way some parents have gone absolutely insane with wild conspiracy theories to fight schools who are doing their darndest to stay open has been stupefying. People have lost their minds.
some of those loudest individuals had lost it a long time ago

October 18, 2020, 06:54:05 PM
Re: Formatting Microsoft Word If it is "select all, make these 6 changes" a macro turns those 6 into one.
There is a word option of loading an existing template onto a document.
Take one, modify the existing styles (without renaming them) save as template.
Take next one, load that template into it, see how much of the changes happen automatically

October 24, 2020, 10:00:17 PM
Re: Next Level Disgusting.
Just imagine  you're a plumber from one day to the next they tell you to build planes
Boeing is hiring?

October 27, 2020, 01:40:11 AM