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Re: Silent Killer Something conspicuously missing from all the Covid-19 coverage is the effect on the addiction and recovery communities. For addicts, the fear is just another reason to use, and every drug transaction or interaction is making sure they all get infected. I'm pretty sure the immunocompromisation rate in that world is staggering. For those in recovery, meetings are cancelled. Stress and triggers are everywhere. Religious mentors, sponsors, and sober friends aren't readily available. Overdose percentages go up for a relapse versus regular use. Between the overdoses and virus fatalities, the death rate in these vulnerable communities will make senior citizens feel safe.

Please, please, please - if you know someone who deals with addiction, whether active or in recovery, reach out and make sure they are ok.

March 20, 2020, 01:36:27 AM
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Re: What are you looking to buy once this is all over?
this. now just need to figure out where.

Is this outbreak making you rethink what you thought you wanted in house? Both in the house's amenities and in the location?

March 22, 2020, 12:56:28 PM
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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
“Presumably “. You don’t have the facts straight. As I said they’re only gonna test you if you have fever/shortness of breath.

You are saying that:

A) you know many people have it, and that the 90% number given for KJ is accurate for KJ, CH, BP, and other tri-state Frum communities.

B) the reason the numbers of confirmed cases are so low is because they are only testing people with more blatant symptoms.

What @aygart is telling you is that of those people in B who are getting tested because of blatant symptoms, only 10% are testing positive. So it stands to reason that those with less blatant symptoms would not be more likely to test positive. Ergo, the 90% number you threw out there is the grossly exaggerated, per the numbers currently available to us.

As an aside, I've been told by a doctor at Johns Hopkins who's been working with covid-19 patients for months in the US and Italy, that the tests to date are only 50-60% accurate, with many, many false negatives.

March 25, 2020, 11:48:46 AM
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
here is a post with multiple people on here calling rabonim murderes. https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=114911.0

If that is our response to Daas Torah then what do you want the Non-Jews response to be?!?!?!?! This anti-semitic post is dispicable but it comes no where close to the hate that was on DDF against Daas Torah!

I personally think there's a huge difference between taking our leaders to task for their slow response over the last 2-4 weeks, and spewing anti-Semitic tropes about an entire community, especially when the fact is over 95% of that community is currently adhering to local and federal regulations.

March 26, 2020, 02:42:24 PM
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Re: Corona virus and your shull First of all, to say everyone on this thread is doing all they can in they can in the effort to advance social distancing is garbage, considering how many people have organized or joined minyanim in the last few days.

Second, @chevron made clear that his opinion is that information coming to and from Reb Chaim is being controlled by his inner circle. He also believes that coming out against minyanim today, when 2 weeks ago strong statements were made against c"v shutting schools, yeshivos, and shuls, is tantamount to shutting the barn door after the horses are running away. It's not the Rov who's being criticized, it's the information flow. You cannot rationally argue that the announcement to keep the status quo 2 weeks ago didn't have extreme repercussions.

I understand Kavod HaTorah and talking appropriately about Rabbonim and Gedolei HaDor. It's time we listened to the Torah and actually listen to doctors about what we should do, instead of waiting for Daas Torah to come out and say something. There are countless (hundreds) of letters from the Lubavitcher Rebbe, telling people that God gave the doctors the ability to heal, and it is our responsibility to listen to them. You shouldn't have to wait for your Rov to tell you to wash your hands.

March 29, 2020, 12:47:06 PM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
Any past president would have listened to the experts and acted. Just like many states are listening to the experts and acting.

Sorry, I should have been clearer. Can you point to an actual, named politician, who is currently handling this properly?

March 30, 2020, 05:38:26 PM
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Re: When is this country going to be back to normal? I've actually been thinking about this a lot over the last 2 weeks. What does my world look like when this is over? How much changes, both in the way the world itself operates and in the way I approach life? Do I rethink some choices I've already made? Where I live, how I live, what I want, what I think I need? Is my career path what I really want to be doing? Does it provide short or long term stability is this new world? Is it even still viable in our new economy? How do I want to interact with my community going forward? How involved do I want to be? Do I respect them more or less for their reaction and response to this crises? What about my friends? Who was there for me and my family? Who took this seriously and who put others at risk? How much do I trust my government to look out for me and protect me the next time a crisis hits? Do I need to find other ways to get informed on what is going on in the world? These, and a million other questions.... I only have partial answers, and even those may change before this is over.
March 31, 2020, 09:13:31 AM
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
Very true .
But has zero relevance to the subject at hand .

When a Rebbe says the reason people are dying is because they closed the schools and shuls, then he is literally playing with lives. And when people call him out on it, and others shout them down because how dare they disagree with Daas Torah and Tzaddikim, then it's relevant.

March 31, 2020, 10:00:05 AM
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
You took a poll ?
 Who said its 99.99 % ?
Every Frum Yid who disagrees with you
is from the .01 % and you are from the 99.99% ??
You sound very arrogant.
I hope itís just from being locked up .

I'm going to keep on engaging you, because I hope the longer I keep you online, the less time you have to be putting people's lives at risk.

How many Rabbonim do you know that are currently advocating to disregard the medical consensus and open schools and shuls?

March 31, 2020, 10:29:20 AM
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic
I asked my doctor the same question and unfortunately there are not any solid answers. So the question you need to ask yourself and that many of us who have BH recovered are asking is this - how much risk do I want to bear if this can be G-d forbid contracted again.

+1

Spoke to a doctor from Johns Hopkins earlier this week. He has a team that has been in Italy for the last few months. His advice was even if you've had it already, go nowhere and do nothing. He has doctors who tested positive, went through a full 14 day quarantine, presented post-quarantine with zero symptoms and still tested positive. They don't know enough about this virus regarding re-infection, symptoms reoccurring, or the contagion levels for post-symptomatic patients.

The way I'm looking at it: how much risk am I comfortable with before I put my own or someone else's life at risk? What's the magic number? 5%? 1%? .01%? To me, there is no number. I understand that there are many things in life that can kill, and we can't live in a box for the rest of our lives. But in order to give the science/medical community a few months to get some footing and be able to give some clarity, I'm willing to lock down and not take unnecessary risks. I'd rather look back at this time as a time in which I overreacted, went a little crazy, and maybe missed out on celebrating simchos in their usual ways, rather than a time where I took a small unnecessary risk and put someone in danger or worse.

March 31, 2020, 05:09:19 PM
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