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Re: Unemployment Help @cgr is a tzaddik.

ישלם הקב'ה שכרך כפל כפליים

August 08, 2020, 11:15:16 PM
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
I feel this is a big event. I don't feel it will be a major factor in solving the Palestine issue. Trump IMHO has made it worse by showing major favoritism toward one side.

They've always said that peace was contingent on concessions. The previous administration effectively that the Israelis should unilaterally withdraw to 1967 borders, and concession negotiations should start from there. This was harmful, because it gave the Palestinians and other countries unrealistic expectations, and made talks harder to navigate. This time, Israel went to the other extreme. They said they would not only not unilaterally withdraw from existing borders, but they would annex additional areas. The concession for this peace agreement (which, as pointed out, is largely symbolic) was the abandonment of those plans. (I believe the Israelis were looking for a way to walk away from that too, while saving face. This joke of normalized relationships is a convenient excuse for that.)

The net result of all these things is no real achievements. The Arabs and Obama moved the goalposts one way, so the Israelis moved it the other way. Now they're agreeing to meet in the middle. Everyone saves face. Hoorah.

August 14, 2020, 11:56:10 AM
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Re: Jokes Master Thread
Once this thread is hijacked already, I always wondered does this statement apply to a bank account? The original context is that you shouldn’t count how much fruit you have so the bracha should apply to it. But a bank account is already quantified, not looking at the numbers doesn’t change anything.

This would depend on whether the reason that אין הברכה מצויה because of עין הרע (the מהרש'א ) or because הקב'ה is more likely to make a נס נסתר than a נס גלוי (the עיון יעקב). The gemara is definitely משמע like what you are saying. In theory, though, if the reason is עין הרע, then the less people that know about it the better, even if it's a known quantity. You example should be a נפקא מינא in this gemara. Excellent point.

August 14, 2020, 12:07:37 PM
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Re: Jokes Master Thread
And some people eat it under the table

That's like the people that say Parshas HaMon בעל פה, so they should have good parnassa off the books.

August 15, 2020, 09:58:02 PM
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Re: Tipping Master Thread (Who to tip and how much)
friends and i went rafting in CO last week and the private tour was 900$ split 7 ways. then the guide (who was amazing and fun) mentioned to remember ur guide and see him afterwards if we want .. we got the hint. we asked around and they said avg tipping is 20% of the total bill. now isnt that crazy? isnt the guy getting paid as it is and now also expects 180$ tip?? i think tipping is a nice token thank you but to get 180$ for an hr and half rafting is itself a great income, but as a tip is way over the top..
thoughts?
(we tipped 90$)

I thought canoes tip and rafts don't...

August 18, 2020, 04:45:00 PM
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Re: Tipping Master Thread (Who to tip and how much)
In Lakewood the going rate is $14, great cuts (i.e Mr. Clipper- and I have absolutely no connection to them)

Caplan Cuts is $16. I was happy with them.


$25-$30 does sound expensive. That sounds like covid private appointment with sanitizing between haircuts pricing.

August 20, 2020, 03:26:48 PM
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Re: Jokes Master Thread
A man calls his doctor in the middle of the night and says "Doctor, it's an emergency, I think my wife needs her appendix out"
Doctor says: "I took your wife's appendix out seven years ago. I never heard of anyone having a second appendix!"
Man answers: "Well did you ever hear of someone having a second wife?"

Reminds me of one of the blacker Jewish jokes:

A guy calls up the funeral director, and says "I need to arrange a funeral for my wife".

The director asks him "Didn't your wife die 5 years ago"?

"Yes, but I got remarried", answers the man.

"You did? Mazel tov!!!"

August 21, 2020, 11:20:51 AM
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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
I know people don't like it, but I'm going to use the car analogy. People die in car accidents and yet we still drive cars (just this week klal yisroel lost a 19 y/o), there is some point where we go back to normal life. The situation now is very different than it was in March.

99% of automobile fatalities are due to human error. This is why there are extensive traffic laws-to minimize these automotive deaths. The same applies to covid - due diligence should be applied to ensure that as many deaths as possible are avoided and not caused by human negligence. (I'm not going into the numbers of annual deaths per driven mile-it's a moot point.) "Normalcy" is not the goal - preserving human life is.

August 24, 2020, 10:21:11 PM
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
It didn't work perfectly, but that was the basic plan. It's still looking better with every passing day.

When did "normalcy" become the new religion? At this point there is light at the end of the tunnel. If we can hold out for 6 months, there will likely be vaccines available. Is 6 months of masks really too much to ask, so much so we're willing to sacrifice lives for it on the altar of normalcy? It's somewhat understandable that a bunch of hedonistic live for the moment university students (that are living in campus, and therefore posing minimal risk to greater public) are not too concerned about the welfare of society, but are we as a community really no better? It's quite oxymoronic to gather to pray and learn for the sake of HKBH, in a mannerism that is defiant of the very G-d they are gathered to supposedly worship. Evidently, normalcy is the new idol that replaced HKBH. This isn't even mesiras nefesh for Torah... It's mesiras nefesh for personal comfort.

מי ביקש זאת מידכם רמות חצרי

Are we the next generation to murder Zechariah because the message necessitates changes from patterns of living we're comfortable with?

September 08, 2020, 07:18:18 AM
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
Instead of field hospitals, they should have equipped LTC facilities with adequate PPE and large scale testing. Positive seniors should have been moved away from the healthy population. The result would have been a fraction of the death toll.

This was the protocol that was supposed to be followed. A SNF was supposed to be following the same protocols and equipped with the same gear as hospitals. They explicitly said that any SNF that could not maintain CDC recommended standards for case isolation should let them know and not accept COVID positive patients. In hindsight, it is possible that this was not a good move.

The reality is that the NYC medical infrastructure is a bunch of individual institutions that do not operate through one central system. If there would have been one central command center coordinating which ambulances bring patients where based on real time capacity data, the field hospitals and ship could have been seamlessly integrated into the network. Being as it is a bunch of private institutions that operate independently of each other, each with their own ambulance network connections developed, this is not what happened. The way it was, supplies and case load were not efficiently distributed.  Therefore, the new unnetworked hospitals were left vacant, while the pre-existing facilities were overwhelmed.

There was and still is not a method for an overriding system to assume control of coordination of hospitals in case of a mass casualty incident. This is a major gap in the system.

September 10, 2020, 12:50:23 AM
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
What's wrong with a COVID+ only minyan? I think it's very nice for people who tested positive to be able to daven with a minyan on Rosh Hashana.

100%.

This is basically the Israeli model of covid hotels. It's a wonderful idea. I think it's a pity they don't exist. It would make it a lot easier for people to not go to regular shuls if they had covid minyan options instead of staying home.

September 18, 2020, 11:35:13 AM
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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana???
I think we can draw a line somewhere before "illegally crossing a border through a forest to daven at a kever during a global pandemic".

Do you know anyone who went to Miami from NY during pandemic? Anyone who illegally didn't quarantine upon return? Anyone who went to illegal wedding? Anyone who went to place of gathering and illegally didn't wear mask? Anyone who sent kids to illegal camp?

Why are all these illegalities for ones personal indulgence ok, but going to Uman for Rosh Hashanah, which is extremely religiously important for some, is not?

It reminds me of the people waiting in line by pizza store, which was completely fine (after all, people gotta live) as long as nobody made a Barchu.

September 23, 2020, 09:19:29 AM
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Re: COVID-19 Reinfection
Good point, except they are just saying "make sure that you had a positive antibody test". Not that anyone should get retested.

A nice sized yeshiva in Brooklyn did an antibody testing drive on Friday for all members of yeshiva and mispallelim, and instructed everyone to take the test, even those that previously taken antibody tests. They seemed to want it for their in house policy formation. Could be more places will do this.

September 26, 2020, 08:38:18 PM
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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
And I thought the nypost was a little better than that,

I guess when it comes to bashing the jews, everybody's in on it

NY Post is as toilet paper tabloid as they get. It's not exactly the Times or WSJ.

September 26, 2020, 10:36:32 PM
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Re: Milestone Posts
Hindsight.


This post didn't get enough credit.

September 27, 2020, 12:27:20 AM
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
I don't know how faith in rabbanim and community leaders will be restored after this. At this moment, I'm unable to hear a shmooz from my Rov or go to him with shailos and eitzos. It's heartbreaking.

This is why you need a Rav why you are mekabel אפילו כשאומר על שמאל ימין ואל ימין שמאל. (Disclaimer: I'm guiltier than you in this. I have the same problem. The best would be if your Rav is a genuine gadol who you can trust implicitly with life and death questions and that has the shoulders to make such decisions, but most people do not have that kind of access. I do not envy any Rav right now. It's a really tough position to be in, and the ramifications of the decisions they have to make are staggering. There are a lot of conflicting data sets, a lot of unclarity, and a lot of options, none of them really good.)

September 27, 2020, 01:34:14 AM
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
It's כנגד שכל הישר

דעת בעל הבתים נגד דעת תורה

What am I supposed to say? I don't understand it either (and it eats me up that I see people and communities systemically engaged in activity that seems to me to be something inevitable to result in unnecessary imminent tragic deaths, for very little benefit). However, klal yisroel is set up with a mesora of listening to daas Torah even when they tell you to jump (assuming the one who advised as such has accurate data and is worthy of the title of daas Torah).

לא מחשבותי מחשבותיכם

(Note: my daas Torah does not think this is a joke. At all. However, if a legitimate gadol says otherwise, I respect his adherents who follow him in everything else for following in this too. Obviously, one who cherry picks psakim for his convenience is possibly a rotzeach if he infects someone due to negligence.)

September 27, 2020, 11:41:50 AM
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Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
Fake news. I davened with a mask the entire Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur and it was the easiest fast I've had in years. I hated the mask at first, but after playing around with different types and wearing them when necessary I've gotten used to it. I mean, I rip it off as fast as the next guy when it's not needed, but the drama over it is a bit like my toddler arbitrarily deciding wearing his socks is like walking on spikes.

I'll be honest with you. Masks barely bother me breathing wise personally, but I see they do bother and affect some people tremendously. I don't think they're just being drama queens- I think it legitimately affects different people very differently. I'm not saying that people shouldn't wear masks if it bothers them, but dismissing their discomfort out of hand because it doesn't affect you that way does not seem right to me. (It took me a bit to realize this also, that some people legitimately can barely handle certain masks. Different people's bodies are designed differently.)

September 29, 2020, 07:45:46 PM
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Re: Deblasio Shutting 9 ZIP Codes Again
A Mosod in Brooklyn is having a COVID Testing Drive tomorrow and asking only healthy individuals with antibodies or individuals who are feeling well to come. Lets drive down the positive rate while not addressing the real issue.

This is going to be standard community wide, I'm sure. Williamsburg has been doing this, and Lakewood is planning to do this too.

It'll take tens of thousands of tests to drive down rates. It looks like about 1000 positive tests in our community. Skewing positivity rates will have to be a community wide effort to be effective.

The reality is that positivity rates are a bit of a weak indicator anyways. It's pretty obvious that you'll get different rates if you're doing compliance tests vs symptomatic/exposed tests. They're messing with a barometer that wasn't too accurate a benchmark to start with.

October 05, 2020, 12:59:36 AM
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
I agree with you. But how does this explain the explosion now of ppl who were most def exposed Pesach time? Example my wife is got it now and not Pesach when I had it

They had temporary immunity pesach time due to antibodies from a different infection during the winter. This temporary immunity wore off.

 It's as plausible explanation as any. One thing is for sure... The data seems to be undeniable. There are almost no reinfections, and in places with outbreaks, nearly everyone who didn't catch it last time is catching it this time.

October 05, 2020, 10:01:30 AM
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Re: COVIDiots
I’m expecting to get a lot of hate for what I’m going to write but it’s the truth and I don’t care.

If you live in Lakewood or Brooklyn or Monsey and do not stay in your house then you are fully exposing yourself to COVID positive people regardless to whether you blame it on your worker, kids morah, friend cat, Babysitter aunt. We all learnt that masks and social distancing is the biggest BS out there unless you actually stay in your house away from all people. END RANT

The efficacy of masks and social distancing is not what's being called into question. It's the efficiacy of trying to convince people to comply. Self centered narcissism cloaked as atheistic fatalism under the guise of religion is as rampant as covid.

October 05, 2020, 01:15:34 PM
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Re: Deblasio Shutting 9 ZIP Codes Again
no it stems from stupidity and the fact that he is power hungry and can't admit that there is no definitive way to combat this virus.

Formulating a concerted strategy to implement guidelines to prevent transmission utilizing known methodologies and tools such as effective mask wearing and social distancing and ventilation to prevent widespread community spread and super spreader events is stupidity? Funny, I'd faster assign that designation to those that refuse to comply with the evil agenda of preventing infection. There's a certain confidence and assuredness that only the oblivious and delusional can muster. Those that feel that attempts to combat this pandemic are an exercise in futility, which is why they've never even tried to do so, seem to project this confidence in spades.

October 05, 2020, 02:31:14 PM
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Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests
What’s horrifying is how a differing opinion gets treated in this community, the only thing they have herd immunity to is reason.

There's a differing opinion, and there's someone that calls the cops. I'm not saying anyone is right for what was done, but don't say that somebody was attacked for his opinions. That's ridiculous.

October 07, 2020, 10:26:16 AM
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Re: Jacob Kornbluh
Man bites dog

Can't like this enough. There's nothing that feeds into liberal media's narrative better than Hasidic Jews "rioting". It normalizes the concept of riots, so people can't say it's only black hoodlums doing it. Never mind that these were riots like the puddle in front is the Atlantic Ocean. There was one lousy cardboard box smoldering, not Times Square aflame. The few nobodies that are getting their 15 minutes of fame are symptoms, not causes. The media was looking for a story that makes it sound like what happened in May and June was a normal response to a grievance, and the same thing is happening here.

October 16, 2020, 11:29:59 AM
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Re: Czar Cuomo We got into a power struggle with a control freak. We should've been the adults in the room that worked on deescalation and disobeying the orders quietly without fanfare, while publicly appearing to be following mandates to allow Cuomo to save face. If we could've done that concurrently with a concerted effort to bring down positivity rates, and while studiously massaging Cuomo's ego for his cooperation with local officials and community leaders, this could've been done in 2 weeks, with Cuomo claiming another victory. Instead, we let the clown shows and 6 year olds dominate the media, got into shouting matches in public, and generally let this devolve into a mess that could easily have been avoided when a bit of discipline and maturity. We know how to play the diplomacy game as well as anyone, and to allow whatever narcissists to save face. We just couldn't control the children, and our own inner children, from taking over.
October 17, 2020, 10:06:44 PM
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Re: Czar Cuomo
Completely based on my recollection of DDF reports from the time, but it didn't seem like it was just "some" if you're talking about BP/Wili a month after shutdown.

Other places, correct.
20% in Williamsburg, 10% in BP, 2% in Flatbush, 5% in Lakewood... No matter how you cut it, the vast majority were closed. The squeakiest wheels just got the most attention. Nobody was taking pictures and writing articles about the silent majority.

October 17, 2020, 11:02:06 PM
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Re: Czar Cuomo
Let me clarify. Saying 99% were shut down for months is false. By Shavuos, every shul was packed, per reports here. That didn't happen overnight. There was chatter here starting already on Pesach about people ignoring violations, even if the shuls weren't officially open.

My point isn't to argue the little details. The point is, there has been widespread ignoring of the rules and regs for a very, very long time in our communities. We can take issue with the current situation without trying to whitewash our past misbehavior.

And yes, your take on the restrictions back then was quite on point.

In my recollection, it actually did happen basically overnight. The speed of going 0-60 from no shul to back to normal was astounding. This 0-60 instead of being able to handle phases and stages was what brought Israel into the thick of the storm too.

October 17, 2020, 11:05:49 PM
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Re: Czar Cuomo
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Shavuos is a full 7 weeks after Pesach. And by the time R"C Iyar came about, people were already in "we have herd immunity" mode. There was zero attempts to educate the community from NYC or NYS. There was zero outreach. All there was were restrictions, closing camps (which proved to be foolish and unscientific), and of course the double standards and hypocrisy with encouraging protests.

This is important. I personally think that Lag Baomer is a more accurate date than Shavuos (all shuls were opened the shabbos before Shavuos), that is still a solid 8 weeks from when the shuls closed. For historical context, George Floyd died May 25, the shabbos that shuls were opened for. The lack of enforcement by protests did not cause the shuls to reopen, but it certainly did lead people to view the restrictions with a lot more suspicion. Statistically speaking, basically the identical amount of people per 100k died in the frum zipcodes than the non Jewish zipcodes, so it's extremely difficult to blame the infection rate on our non compliance.

October 17, 2020, 11:13:28 PM
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Re: Czar Cuomo He's a control freak, and a narcissist, and a bully, but he's not an anti Semite. We can learn to deal with his idiosyncracies and work with him. De blasio is a lame duck with no future. Cuomo is not. Calling him out on all his lies may win a battle or two, but it won't win a war.
October 17, 2020, 11:27:13 PM
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Re: Czar Cuomo
Every single person I spoke to today had covid before Pesach. In Crown Heights the rate of people my age who had it is insanely high. AFAIK, the only hospitalization in ch in "the second wave" is an Israeli guest.

This is statistically nearly impossible. The morbidity rates in CH mirror rest of NYC, and randomized antibody surveys show that way less than that had it. In addition, everyone knows plenty of people that were extremely extensively exposed, yet never caught it. In addition,a very large subset of people are completely asymptomatic, so if everyone was symptomatic and therefore believes they caught it, they are an exception to the rest the world. If 100% of people believe they got it, that speaks more to the hypochondriac syndrome inherent in a metoo mob mentality than to actual infection rates.

October 17, 2020, 11:56:40 PM
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Re: Czar Cuomo
Strong correlation between people you're likely to see in shul without a mask and people who believe they got covid or believe they're immune to covid or don't believe in covid.

Ftfy

October 18, 2020, 12:08:13 AM
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Re: Czar Cuomo
We don't disagree. And you're using words like serology results when the average person doesn't know what that means. Outside of the Gedaliah society in Crown Heights, there has been 0 education. Everything is either team lockdown everything indefinitely, or team open up everything without precautions. There is no education or explanation as to the necessity of a middle ground.

Btw, I actually believe the average person in CH or BP or Flatbush or Far Rockaway is at least as educated as the average American regarding these subjects. Chassidim are not more medically illiterate than the general populace, i think. The politicians that think the problem in our community is ignorance missed the boat.

October 18, 2020, 12:10:31 AM
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Re: Lakewood covid cases
It certainly can happen, though they’re not quite so common. Regardless, PCR positives are nearly 100% accurate.

I think a lot of the rapid false positives are people that were previously infected and since healed. The rapids must be picking up dead viral matter which is not reproducing and growing in the PCR test.

October 18, 2020, 12:55:02 AM
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Re: Czar Cuomo
I'll be a beggar again. Can someone please copy/paste here?
TIA!

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Amy, this is a lot more complex than you make it out to be.
I'm going to try to explain our viewpoint, this will be long.

1) I don't think De Blasio or Cuomo hate Jews. I DO think that they are using us as pawns in their never-ending petty fight to show who has more control.

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2) I know that their outrageous rhetoric & behavior is definitely causing an increase in anti semitism.
There have already been a few incidents of harassment and violence that can be directly tied to their actions.
(cont)
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3) People act like Hassidic/Ultra Orthodox are stupid, anti-science, and don't care about anyone else.
We are not. Our community includes brilliant people, medical practitioners, mental health professionals, businessmen who've built empires on only a high school education.
(cont)
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Our resistance to certain things comes from a deeper place.

4) Our experiences through centuries have exile has ingrained in us not to rely on government to take care of us. It has taught us to use our own experts and common sense, especially when faced with extreme laws. (cont)
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5) Now let's talk about how this impacted our reaction to Covid.
On March 1, Cuomo announced the 1st confirmed case in NYC. He spent the next few days telling everyone they were worrying to much, the reality is reassuring, etc. bit.ly/3nORxzH
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6) Cuomo attended a rally on March 3. He told us on March 6 “We have more people in this country dying from the flu than we have dying from coronavirus.”
On March 7, he signed the 1st EO declaring a State of Emergency, yet on the 8th he STILL said not to worry, go on the subway
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7) March 9-10 mark the holiday of Purim. There was some talk about maybe limiting gatherings in the Jewish community, but based on Cuomo's words, it was mostly waved off.
Why interrupt our most joyous holiday for a virus Cuomo insisted wasn't bad?
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8) After Purim, cases started EXPLODING in our community. And this was no surprise. We had just spent two days going from house to house, having crowded parties, the ultimate "super-spreader" events.

So some schools and synagogues closed down even before De Blasio's orders.
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9) From that time until the end of April, 95% of the community followed every restriction to a T. We stayed locked in our tiny apartments with our large families, our kids were doing PHONE school because many don't use home internet
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9 (cont) - Young mothers made Passover at home for the first time because they couldn't go to their parents, something which is a HUGE undertaking, all with under-stocked stores. You literally had to comb the shelves for convection ovens.
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9 (cont) All this while dealing with the severe anxiety and fear of hearing about new deaths of relatives, friends and acquaintances on a daily basis.
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10) Then, as quickly as things had exploded, they quieted down. By May, there were barely any new cases in the community, and they soon dwindled to 0.

Yet were any restrictions lifted? No. Not even outdoor public parks were permitted to reopen! Something that made no sense.
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10 (cont) We begged to be allowed to open by zipcode. But Cuomo and DeBlasio refused. "Only by region, it can spread." (Sounds very different than the way they're talking now, huh?)
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11) At this point, seeing that we were dealing with unreasonable people not acting based on science, we lost all trust in them.
Families were suffering, kids were traumatized, businesses were collapsing - yet no changes were made.
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12) Summer arrived and life went back to normal. Camps and day camps reopened, people went upstate - and still, there were no new cases.
DESPITE the extreme laxity with mask wearing and social distancing.
For the moment, at least, the virus was gone.
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13) September came and cases started appearing again. This was the start of the long predicted "second wave". Yet this was very unlike the first wave.
Cases were mild, there were very few hospitalizations.
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14) Then suddenly, on Yom Kippur when we couldn't even listen to news, Cuomo announced the official uptick in cases (once again, weeks late - there had been an uptick for a long time already.)
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14 (cont) People understood that things had changed, and there was a noticeable uptick in mask wearing and distancing in the community. But given the still low positivity rate, we saw no reason for panic and shutting down shuls and schools - which for us, are essential.
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15) Then on October 6th, in middle of our holiday of Sukkos, Cuomo made his new EO creating deeply confusing and entirely unscientific color coded hot spots based on some logic only he seemed to understand.
This order included a SPECIFIC houses of worship clause.
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And this clause capped synagogue gatherings at 10, no matter the size of the building (some can seat thousands!)

16) On a call with community leaders, Cuomo admitted outright that this was a "fear driven response" not based on science
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16 (cont) , and that schools were NOT the cause of the uptick.
He also said, on that call, that synagogues would be capped at 50% capacity, and asked leaders to encourage compliance to masks and distancing. Of course everyone agreed to these reasonable sounding things.
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17) Yet the very next day, he announced that there would be a limit of TEN in synagogues, and that schools would be closed.
Despite the fact that he himself said schools weren't the problem! Despite what he had told leaders the day before!
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17 (cont) To add insult to the injury, he kept publically pointing to us as the CAUSE of the uptick, despite the facts that there were upticks in many neighborhoods with no Orthodox Jewish presence.
He made some outrageous, horrific remarks that echo ancient Jewish hate themes
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18) Don't forget that this is coming after a year in which we faced horrific attacks on our community. The machette attack in Monsey, tens of violent attacks on the streets of Brooklyn.
Yet here goes Cuomo, once again putting a target on our backs.
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18 (cont) This would be awful EVEN if his claims of this only being an "ultra-Orthodox cluster" were true - when it is patently false.

Community leaders and elected officials begged Cuomo to reverse course, but he just doubled down and threatened to cut funding.
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19) Now that it was clear what kind of attitude we were dealing with - that he was literally going to war with our community - we said, "No way are we letting him trample us. Time to fight back."

Hence, the outcry you hear from us.
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Here is one of the FIVE lawsuits filed this week against Cuomo. You'll get even more details about Cuomo's duplicitous, unconstitutional and hateful behavior

October 18, 2020, 02:02:24 AM
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Re: Czar Cuomo
Everyone here will agree that Cuomo's remark was horrible, inexcusable, racist, and factually incorrect (the only disagreement is to which level it's incorrect).
Question: Where are our politicians supposedly representing us calling him out with outrage on this comment? Things like this give people like Heshy Tishler a following.

Not always is calling out someone you disagree with a productive strategy, even if they are wrong. Being dead right is not an ideal. If our objective is to get things back open, going to war with Cuomo is not the way to accomplish it. The last thing we need is a 6 year old Al Sharpton and his 5 year old fan club making Lag Baomer on TV. Maybe our politicians know the dynamics a bit better than we do, which is why they're keeping publicly respectful.


As of now, all schools are closed tomorrow. There is currently no end in sight in the showdown. Tischler's been arrested, and half our rabbanim or roshei mosdos may also be by the end the week. Bridges that were built over years are being burnt down in days. How's the Tischler plan of action working out?


Cuomo and the powers that be in Albany will likely be around longer than covid will be. Making enemies of them is not in our short or long term interests.

Myopic is too kind a term.

October 18, 2020, 02:16:39 AM
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Re: Czar Cuomo
What's the ration for a guy with a positive and negative test, antibiotics to wear a mask?

To keep yeshivos, shuls, and communities open. Is that such a ridiculous objective?

October 18, 2020, 02:18:42 AM
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Re: Czar Cuomo
I fully agree.
I was asking if scientifically there's a reason?

There's a psychological rationale to create a conformity pressure for everyone to be wearing masks instead of pressure the opposite way; and logistical rationale, being as not everywhere has the capacity for people to be constantly monitoring their antibody levels to ensure that it does not drop below the level considered positive, so it's therefore logistically simpler to tell people to keep the masks across the board.

October 18, 2020, 02:25:55 AM
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Re: Czar Cuomo
Not saying that HT did it correctly, but the correct one should have been done right away

You think Cuomo would have backed down and said I'm sorry had we had properly organized protests from day 1?

October 18, 2020, 08:52:11 AM
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Re: Czar Cuomo
The protests bothered Coumo

Bothering the man is counterproductive. He doesn't know how to lose a fight, so we need to let him feel like he won the battle while we quietly win the war.


The Orthodox Jewish community is not a sympathetic cause here. We are no George Floyd.

October 18, 2020, 09:04:48 AM
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Re: If it were up to you, would COVID-19 precautions be part of your life today?
They're not? I thought I noticed a couple of ppl on here that I would think they would voluntarily lock themselves up. Especially if its for the greater good  ;D.

I would stay home for months and only venture in public with a N95 if I knew it would save lives. I did that for months pesach time, until I got a positive antibody test in late June. I am in the almost non-existent risk category, and my family members are pretty low risk. Not everything is about me. There are things worth sacrificing personal comfort for, in my opinion, and saving lives is one of those things.

October 22, 2020, 01:36:42 PM
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Re: Czar Cuomo
Its how things are done, trump wanted the shulls closed he made a conference call and begged they should open there eyes, Cuomo signed EO and sent in the Gestapo

+1

Democracy and freedom are about disagreeing with what someone says, but fighting for their right to say it. When Cuomo gets to decide whether religion is essential or not, or which religions and religious groups get preferential treatment, there's an issue.

October 23, 2020, 04:51:20 PM
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Re: What could Trump have done better?
What could Trump have done to improve his odds of wining reelection, and why didn't he?


Primarily, he shouldn't have publicly denigrated the virus, downplayed it, politicized it, and mocked restrictions due to it. The majority of the country thinks the virus is an extremely serious threat, and letting that become a referendum issue at the polls cost him the election. He should've spoken about the seriousness, need for testing, containment, mitigation, ect at every opportunity, instead of joking about how it's not so serious and the biggest problem was too much testing.

The reason he didn't do this is that he's an honest (albeit completely insane) man, who truly believes in everything he says, and truly believes the majority of the country agrees with him. He is incapable of changing his persona and pushing an agenda he doesn't believe in, just because polling would indicate such a move to be prudent (and he really believes that all polling is false, rigged, and a product of media spin and fabrication). A textbook clinical narcissist such as himself is incapable of seeing another person's position and acting accordingly, even if not doing so can cost him the presidency.

That being said, I'd still vote for him. Insane or not, he's still better than the left (and was probably Israel's biggest supporter of all USA presidents in history).

October 26, 2020, 12:51:38 PM
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Re: What could Trump have done better?
The liberals did just this. In the beginning they denigrated the virus, downplayed it, politicized it. Then when they realized how much power it gave them the over politicized it way more than Trump.

Yup. Trump shouldn't have handed then this opportunity on a silver platter. He could've been running with the opposite narrative than he is now, which would've forced the liberals onto the losing end of the ring. Sumo wrestling is a delicate sport.

October 26, 2020, 01:07:43 PM
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
Thanks. I guess for once I agree with gamblers.  :P

Follow the money.  :) They're usually the best indicator. Capitalism is merciless and brutally honest.

Markets were red last week, cautiously green yesterday, and heavy green today.  Strong Trump indicator.

November 03, 2020, 10:10:37 PM
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Re: Will We Know The Presidential Election Results By Nov 4th We knew all along that if Biden won we would know within 12 hours, while it would take a while to know if Trump won. This had nothing to do with media bias. It was simply a function of how many more almost guaranteed blue EC votes Biden started off with vs Trump's much smaller starting pool.
November 03, 2020, 10:26:19 PM
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election? Trump behind 79k now in AZ, from 93k, with 2% more reported, according to AP tracker.
November 04, 2020, 09:05:44 PM
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
They already called it for Biden, though. According to them technically his only shot is Nevada.

Arizona was called ridiculously early. Trump is right about that. I don't care what Fox says about their 4 standard deviations-calling it when they did with the outstanding votes was irresponsible.

November 04, 2020, 09:15:30 PM
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Re: The Post-Trump World
Your delusional if you think there wasn't any fraud done.  And doesn't matter the margin. Fraud should upset any proud American.  I got two ballots.  One in NY and one in NJ.  I did not use both because I'm a law abiding citizen.   I'm 100% sure people with more animosity towards a specific candidate didn't hesitate to submit both.

So yes. Even if the margin is not enough to win. It is ok with being angry at the system. Not to burn down the whole country, or kill cops, or loot stores, but enough to protest

+1.
I know many people who got mail ballots for deceased people (one deceased for decades) or members of household no longer living there. Even if not, and all the ballots sent were for actual people that lived there, all it takes is one member of the household to fill them out for everyone, even though most of the household members wouldn't have bothered voting. It stands to reason that there was a nice amount of invalid ballots submitted. Even if these people usually wouldn't go out of their way to commit fraud, over here it was handed to them on a silver platter, and would take a good deal of self control to abstain.

Note: I'm generally not a conspiracy theorist, and I don't know if these tilted balance in election or if any one party had a higher incidence of fraud, but I think it would be gullible to assume it's one in a million.

November 05, 2020, 08:31:35 AM
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election? Georgia claims they have 60k ballots left. Trump is up 18k, so Biden needs 65%. This is going to be razor razor razor thin. There will definitely be a recount. If PA isn't a blowout and AZ flips or is close enough for recount, this isn't ending anytime soon.
November 05, 2020, 10:53:42 AM
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Re: Who Will Win The 2020 Election?
Just got back from my bike ride. Did the Fat Lady sing?

2020 U.S Presidential Election
Odds to Win the 2020 Presidential Election
2   Joe Biden      -1600   
1   Donald Trump   +890

Trump down to 100k in PA with 12% left. Almost impossible to win without that (unless he gets AZ and WI, which would be tie that he'd subsequently win with state electors from HOR). GA is razor tight too. Not quite fat lady territory on the BMI, but certainly overweight lady.

November 05, 2020, 04:04:34 PM
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