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June 20, 2016, 11:56:33 AM
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
And I have a bridge to sell you for a good price.

I am the first to acknowledge that we had a flawed system, but rather than addressing the fundamental flaws, Obamacare created an even worse system with added complexity and compliance overhead at all levels.

Ask anyone heading payroll in an office that offers healthcare (I know firsthand) how the rates were always going up. No bridge to sell here. Facts.

How can you say that if millions of people are now covered ? No it's not a worse system at all.

I also will admit it has it's flaws.

August 16, 2016, 06:24:50 AM
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You are bringing an opinion piece to show facts? From someone advocating single payer too? Have you ever experienced Canadian medicine?

Canadian medicine is fine.(My spouce experienced it. Do i have credibility? )
Have any idea how many Americans were dying every year by not having any coverage ? I'm talking middle class americans. Canadians don't suffer this, and this goes for most of the world.

I'm sad to say this, but I'm really glad some conservatives are now screaming that medical insurance in the US stinks. Price is too high and deductibles are sky rocketing. Time for national insurance. This will result in a healthier society, more people won't have to think twice before visiting a doctor for a minor issue. They won't wait for an emergency to take care of themselves.

High time this country has a medical system for all, and not only for the super rich. Maybe this news is a conservative wake up call.

In the end despite the bad news with Aetna e.t.c. if you read a little deeper, they are going to come back into the exchanges in a year or two once it stabilizes a bit. Obamacare willl be judged an historic achievement. Too many lawmakers rooting for its failure right now.

August 16, 2016, 10:31:47 AM
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This is such garbage. At least you admit that Obamacare is just a stepping stone for nationalized healthcare. The conservatives have been screaming about insurance costs just as much as liberals have been they just have a completely different approach to dealing with the issue and so far the liberal approach has been a disaster.
Oh and pls tell me how many people died bc of the lack of insurance?
The poor of this country have probably the best insurance coverage of anyone and certainly a lot better than in country's like Canada where the wealthy pay for private insurance to compensate for the terrible national insurance.
I know a Canadian who couldn't walk to shul on shabbos for 5 years while he had to wait to get knee surgery

What different approach are you talking about ?
One item about crossing state lines ?
The current law is straight out of republican textbooks. Forcing us to buy into the free marletplace is somthing yiu should applaud. As I said above your lawmakers in both houses comittees practically wrote the law.
If too many people are now sick and bleeding the program then we should give it a few more years to stabilize. The Auto industry has been doing very well dor themselves and the model should work here as well. Give it more time. By bringing in more people in the  system it should fluctuate.
The liberal approach is clear. National Insurance. The current law is a good first step.

The current law is straight out of republican textbooks. As I said above your lawmakers in both houses comittees practically wrote the law.
The liberal approach is clear. National Insurance.

August 16, 2016, 11:10:14 AM
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Re: Obamacare Master thread

Funny how you say this is a republican written law. How about restricting outrageous malpractice lawsuits that inflate medical costs, cut out fraudulent billing practices, allow a real free market where insurances can offer across Stateline and to people they can afford to cover

you had plenty of time controlling all 3 branches of government to introduce this.
old rehashed argument here.
I rather you say it more clearly, no lawsuits for malpractice at all.
come on how do you differenciate outrageous from others ? won't work.
(this reminds me from the old republican "taxes are to high" argument. What they really want is pay Zero. say it so0

August 16, 2016, 11:40:22 AM
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Re: Obamacare Master thread
There is no open marketplace,  since there are minimum mandated requirements,  so it's a controlled market in which a lot of prospective competitors can't compete,  leaving just a handful who can't offer true a la carte because they have to offer it to more people than they would like and more coverage than they would like.
A government controlled marketplace is a disaster,  the Canadian and Israeli system are semi disasters.

the real disaster is us being the only country that has people refraining visiting a doctor for something so minor as a throat culture because it cost 60.00
that is plain suicidal.

I know real people that skipped simple but important operations like hernia e.t.c. because of no insurance.

you bet we should be proud that the whole world comes here to my immigrant Pakistani doctor performing Siamese twins...
not even an argument.

August 16, 2016, 11:44:09 AM
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There's a lot to respond and debunk @Matovu's statements, but right now I see as the most interesting development the fact that there's a county in Arizona that will have a grand total of 0 (that's a ZERO) plans available on the exchange for 2017!

I am wondering if this can go back to SCOTUS and point out that they simply erred when they approved the individual mandate by saying it is a tax.

This situation sounds worse than Bolshevism - the government taxing you unless you purchase something that is simply not available for purchase, and the government can't do anything about it.

It took a little long to unravel, but the writing was on the wall from day 1. There was absolutely NO WAY in the world that Obamacare could work!

There's so much that can be responded to ?

At least when the talking points are about the tax, the supreme court, and not the high costs of premiums I know I'm not even going to start winning any argument.

You say, There's no way in the world it could work ? You have to agree that if more healthy people are in the pool then it would work out. The Auto Insurance industry have made it well for themselves.

Give it a few more years, stop rooting and cheering for it to fail. Let's get more people to enroll instead of opting out, and it'll be a success. (Despite preexisting conditions there's room for it to work)

Lastly, i'm assuming you've heard of this little piece of news ? Aetna was blocked by the anti trust laws to merge with another big healthcare provider ? They wrote a memo warning that they'll drop out ? Aetna has reportedly said recently in April,  thay were making money being in the exchange. Revenge anyone ? I'm not making this up, read up on this. In a half year Aetna will be right back in.

This news is a bad setback but not going to win by having people not acknowledge any success at all.

August 18, 2016, 06:08:06 AM
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Don't feed the troll
Why the need to say this ?
It's a pretty civil conversation.

If anything, that's a hurtful comment and it's out of left field, I would consider that to be trolling.

August 18, 2016, 08:25:02 PM
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Re: Obamacare Master thread I am not balanced here. Never have I hid my liberal side of view. I wear my progressive politics as a badge of honor. I am amused that only "you" are able to present facts, and when I respond in kinf, it's textbook liberal ideology, and therfore must be a false argument by default.

I was offended by the troll comment because I am having a real civil enjoyable conversation. Look back at all my comments and match them with others in this thread you won't see any name calling or any degrading unrespectful comment. Or questioning any experience, job and e.t.c. On the contrary...

Chill my friends chill.

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January 28, 2019, 02:44:54 PM
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