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Re: Arizona Master Thread In lite of my upcoming trip I read through this thread and fished out all attractions.
As it might  a help for some one i"m posting it
Please if you have comments let us know.

Lake Powell az
Further north then GC

Fossil creek az
Out of Africa Wildlife Park, Camp Verde, AZ

Petrified forest az

Phoenix parks
Thunderbird park az
Encanto park az

Sedona  lots of info

Great soldier pass trail Sedona
Devil's Bridge Trail looks easy
Broken Arrow Trail
Oak Creek Canyon
west fork trail in oak creek canyon az
Cathedral Rock
Bell rock

Grand Canyon

Grand canyon vister's canter  IMAX

The Grand Canyon Rim Trail

South Kaibab Trail

Bright Angel Trail

Havasu Canyon
Part of GC long hike


Bearizona az

February 23, 2014, 04:10:44 PM
mgarfin's 2014 trip to Arizona-Delta glitch
This has been sitting on my desktop for a long time waiting for me to finish.
This trip was in March 2014.


On one cold winter morning I was leaving shul after some learning. I checked my texts and Yikes!! THERE’S A GLITCH!! I ran to my office. First, I needed to find a calendar and figure out when I can take off work and go.  So I pick a date and then, I don’t know why, but I searched NYC-PHX Arizona, and booked tickets. I went on to the next destination LA, by then it was dead. I then broke the news to DW, (while she was on a trip to Israel) that we are going to AZ. At first she was hesitant… “why Arizona??  I did not have an answer! I calmed her down by telling her that the tickets were for Delta Business NYC-PHX $39PP and our 11-month baby would have a seat.  Such an opportunity doesn’t happen that many times :)

As the date of departure got closer, I kept on reading the Arizona master thread, asked lots of questions, and got help from some great people (mumchim). As a new DDf member we ordered meals from Pom (had to try it for the first time – loved it!) and a gogo for the car seat (of course), and off we went. 

Day 1-Sunday

DL JFK-PHX was an old plane but the service was very good.  We were served a Bornstein meal which we did not eat :(.

We landed at about 12 PM, picked up a SUV from National executive aisle (Honeywell) (thanks to Citi executive card), and headed straight to Cholla Trailhead on Camelback Mountain. We hiked up with the baby in a carrier, 3/4 of the trail until we felt that it was too dangerous to continue. (I don’t recommend doing this with a baby, you really need to be a fighter like DW). Views are amazing and beautiful and the hike is challenging, exhilarating and fun.  There were many locals running up the mountain with their dogs as if it was a catwalk – they were very experienced!  It’s one of the 2 mountains in the whole city of Phoenix.

View’s from first stop

The terrain

After our hike, we went to our Hotel, the Sheraton oasis Scottsdale for the night (SPG). We had a pre-arranged upgrade to a suite from the hotel manager.



Day 2- Monday

We started out a bit late, since we davened with the latest Shacharis in town, 8am @ Chabad of Scottsdale.
Checked out of the hotel and off we went.

View’s from drive out of Scottsdale 

Our first stop was Out of Africa Wildlife Park, Camp Verde, AZ.  You get a really close encounter with the animals.  They also have a nice tiger show. We enjoyed it, but my kids would’ve enjoyed it more.  We felt it was just another kind of zoo (This place seems to get very good reviews on DDF so do your own research).

Next we headed to Fossil Springs Trail near Camp Verde, AZ.  We got a bit lost but finally found the dirt road that gets you to the trail head.  It was extremely muddy as it had rained the day before.  We drove down the road very slowly, stopped for some pictures of the view and of course of the sunken cars and pickup trucks (can’t find pictures). There was a nice brook along the way. It came to a point that we weren't sure if we missed the trail head or not.  There wasn't a person in sight, no cell phone service and the sun was starting to set, so we turned back.

From there we drove to Flagstaff AZ where we stayed the next 2 nights. We stayed in Double Tree by Hilton Flagstaff, which was booked through hacking a Priceline "name your own price”. We picked Flagstaff over Sedona because it was closer to the Grand Canyon and still not too far from Sedona, (but later, after visiting both cities we knew that Sedona is a better option as it’s a much nicer city). We got upgraded to a small suite.

Flagstaff in March

 Day 3- Tuesday

We drove up to the Grand Canyon - the drive was about an hour and a half. We parked and went to the main visitor’s center. The troopers where very knowledgeable and they gave us 2 maps (the one that's formatted like a newspaper was much clearer and better than the colored one) The map was a saver, very clear and easy to use. We watched a free film on the history of the canyon, it was not bad (but it was full of כפירה ). DO NOT waste your time or money at the Imax (before the entrance to the park)!
As soon as we got behind the visitor’s center, t I got my firs glimpse of the canyon.  Boy was I shocked when I saw it!!!  No pictures or words can describe it.  NIFLOAS HABOREI!!!!!

From the visitors center we took the bus to Bright Angel Trail.  We hiked just past the second tunnel - 2 ½ hours (with our 11-month old baby in a baby carrier). Weather was perfect for hiking the canyon – 50 F.  Views are magnificent!!! It was strenuous but well worth it.  We got the feel of hiking in the Canyon.

Next we took the shuttle to the Grand Canyon Rim Trail head.  From there you can either walk the paved trail or take the bus and hop on and off at each of the ten stops/lookouts.  The bus waits approx. five minutes at each stop and runs every 15 minutes. We took the shuttle for the most part but walked a few of the shorter segments. You get extremely different views at each look out. You even get to see the Colorado River. 

About an hour and a half before sunset, we started to rush back trying to make it for sunset at Yaki Point or Mather Point. The bus didn’t show up for an hour so we missed it. We drove out through Desert View Drive, thinking we would still catch some last sunset views at the further lookouts, and we were somewhat successful.  Night fell really fast and got pretty dark out there. We drove back and arrived at the hotel very late and collapsed.



 Day 4- Wednesday

We checked out of the Hotel and headed to Sedona -  driving through the AZ-89A highway which has spectacular Views. As we pulled in to town we found a tourist info booth and stopped to ask some questions.  We soon realized that the woman at the booth wasn’t going to be helping us out anytime soon since she had some guy listening to her “timeshare schmooze “.  We moved on. We parked on the main road and took a stroll down the main street.  It was full of touristy shops.


In Sedona one of the main things to do is jeep rides around the red rock mountains.  We needed a company that would allow us to take our baby along for the jeep ride.  We found a place that uses Hummer for their tours - as opposed to smaller jeeps (Sedona Off-road Adventures) therefore they can allow infants. They took us for a drive up Schnebly Hill Road with beautiful views.  It was a very bumpy ride, and we were told that the road is never repaired as to keep the adventure. For a few extra $$$’s we also got a tour of the city all the way out till the outskirts, and the guide pointed out names of mountains and much more.

Schnebly Hill Road


After that we got back in to our car and drove up to The Sedona Airport Overlook and got views of the red rock mountains from different angles.


Next we headed to The Bell Rock.  What an interesting looking mountain/rock.  We parked at Courthouse Vista and hiked up around till it got dark and DW got nervous. This was one of the highlights of Sedona.








From there we drove back to Phoenix and stayed at the Sheraton PHX airport hotel, close enough so that we can make it to the gate for our early morning flight.   

Reminder:  There is beauty in your backyard!!!   Before traveling the world look for the beauty nearby!! In Israel they say to someone wanting to travel abroad, “have you been to Eilat???”

May 23, 2016, 12:20:33 AM
Re: Where is...
Where is Marco Polo? I have not seen him in a while, did I miss something or he just disappeared?

Every time I come across his name I get chills. As Dan recently put it "i"m chatting with strangers". You can be in his surrounding  for years, but then he can just vanish off the earth.

May 24, 2016, 01:39:17 PM
Re: Went through the process of house hunting/buying
exactly why you want to get a inspector

the smallest thing like the angle of the sewer line could give you endless back up and basement flooding
which would result in you having to rip out the basement floor and reangle the sewer

or the heat is not balance and half the house is freezing and they can't figure it out...

(I can tell you some stories from the batcave.)

And do you really think home inspectors find this!!

January 24, 2017, 12:02:27 AM
Re: Random Travel Posts
You can now book flights directly on Google Flights! Spirit, for what it's worth, at least.
Meaning it's the end for true results

January 25, 2017, 10:07:25 AM
Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
Nope, just have a weak Ashkenazic digestive system.

From all your TR where you eat lunch and dinner for a week in restaurants, I was thinking you must have something very strong.

January 25, 2017, 11:01:29 AM
Re: Presenting The New And Improved DDMS Beta What's the logic behind having the menu twice (desktop)?
February 02, 2017, 03:19:04 PM
Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread 5 year visas

February 06, 2017, 06:10:40 PM
Re: What Are You Eating?
Many times.

This one time in Penang Malaysia, I was trying to find something lekovod shabbos but there was absolutely no kosher food to be found. An hour before shabbos, I had given up on the search and am riding my moped on the way back to the guest, I see an old man fishing at the pier. I stop and look into his bucket and sure enough, there's a beautiful parrot fish swimming around in there. Its got the scales & fins so I offer him $1 and he agrees. On my way back to the guesthouse I get lost in thought, trying to figure out what to do now as there's no time to light a fire or kasher a BBQ. Suddenly, I see a mechanic working on a motorcycle at a repair shop. I stop and ask him if I can borrow his blow-torch, he gives me his torch and his mouth dropped when he sees me pull out a brightly colored parrot fish from my bag. I sliced it open, fillet it and grilled it with the torch. Made it back to the guesthouse with plenty of time to spare before zman.

The fish tasted amazing BTW (not the best i've had, but definitely elevated my shabbos)

Has anyone else ever tried Parrot Fish?

Forget about the fish my life is so boring compared to yours.

February 08, 2017, 04:51:40 PM
Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now! There are 2 things to look at

1- Kashrus, which is a much bigger challenge on Pesach. In hotels in particular for varied reasons, the size, the menu needed, the staff, and the usually nonkosher establishment. On Pesach, small mistakes can pose a much bigger problem halachically.

2- Minhug, of not eating out on Pesach. Though its originates to eliminate the kashrus issue, it is still a minuhg.

April 04, 2017, 04:47:23 PM
Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
April 23, 2017, 11:40:34 AM
Frum Passengers On Flight Given Priority Due To Shabbos Seems as Priority was for takeoff and gate access too.

May 02, 2017, 01:16:47 PM
Re: Amazon selling dogs?
June 07, 2017, 03:57:48 PM
Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
Lol, that may have gone over your head.

Now I understand why Chabadsker are putting on Tefilin on streets. There out for the frum ones!

June 14, 2017, 12:43:17 PM
Re: NYC Master Thread

Would you recommend it?
How long should we plan to spend?
Anything else you can share?

June 18, 2017, 05:48:03 PM
Re: Presenting The New And Improved DDMS Beta Really good job!!

All the positive comments above are understatements for what you should get now!

June 28, 2017, 05:10:38 PM
Re: The New DDMS!

Are you going to do TR on the trip to the new site?

July 04, 2017, 10:22:26 AM
Re: Private Island Paradise: Something Fishy's Anniversary Adventure The art of not having to wait for whYME
July 06, 2017, 05:19:02 PM
Re: Writing a trip report? Here's how to add pictures.
Do you remember how you did it?

Moved them to Flickr!

July 19, 2017, 06:54:10 PM
Re: Messianism among Lubavitch To go off topic. Chabad has set out that they use נוסח אר"י and all other Chasidim nusach Sfared.
But I think other Chasidim also believe they are Davening Nusach Ari.

July 25, 2017, 09:06:09 PM
Re: Messianism among Lubavitch
Believing your Rebbe to be Manhig/Nosi hador is part of the Rebbe-Chosid relationship.

Chabad is so in there own world. I don't think chasidim in general believe that believing you Rabbi is highst authority is part of chasidus. It may be a natural thing.

July 28, 2017, 12:18:56 AM
Re: Uber IN NYC

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August 02, 2017, 04:58:15 PM
Re: Laptop Deals Master Thread Is this a good deal for a 17inch?

August 25, 2017, 12:10:21 PM
Re: Prison
This sounds straight out of a novel. It's hard to comprehend that these events actually occured
Doesn't this happen to hundreds of ppl daily?

I feel very sorry for him but don't think it's a novel.

December 04, 2017, 11:34:48 PM
Re: Maldives Master Thread
Unfortunately DDF isn’t a good resource for cash resorts. I really wish there was a larger mix here but you will usually have to go to flyertalk, TripAdvisor and blogs for actual user experiences.

I think we have lots of guys that spend cash, but there is an embarrassment to admit and discuss it.

December 27, 2017, 08:50:22 PM
Re: Women in Jewish magazines Anything we want to change we need to answer these questions
Are we saying we were wrong up until now?
Did the halacha change or was it only chasidus? What would it not apply anymore.

December 30, 2017, 09:56:34 PM
Re: Ex Gingi Farbrengen DO

Mentioned the attached, and how (by extension) everyone is actually a Lubavitcher, it is just בהעלם.😉
We are from different plants. I went to chasidish yeshiva, consider myself knowledgeable in what we call chasidus. I can definitely understand most sfarim from talmid baal Shem.

And I didn't understand a word. Maybe I'm missing the context. Also, didn't understand/see any expansion why we are all lubavitches.

December 30, 2017, 10:23:34 PM
Re: Women in Jewish magazines
They don't want to be in the pictures.

Maybe one day there will be a DO not around food or sports ill see for myself:)

But are you arguing that the core chassidish way of thinking (wili, KJ, NS, BP, parts of Monsey) is advocated/represented on here to its percentage in the community?

January 01, 2018, 11:53:23 AM
Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving? Found it in the Yiddish thread as from R' JJ Jacobson

January 01, 2018, 03:23:24 PM
Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
Also shouldn't smoke. Typically women are more in tune to these health things.


January 01, 2018, 03:42:06 PM
Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving? הגר"ש ואזנר שליט"א בשו"ת שבט הלוי חלק ד' סימן א' אות ב' שכתב בזה"ל, מן הנסיון למדתי שהוא דבר שראוי לאסרו איסור גמור, כי עצם הלימוד [של־נהיגה] גרם כבר וגורם לפריצות, והוא ההיפך הגמור מכל כבודה בת מלך פנימה, כמו שעצם הנהיגה הוא ממש להיפך כל כבודה וגו'. האשה חושפת עצמה בזה בשווקים ורחובות לעין כל רואה, נכשלת ומכשלת את האחרים. ואין דרכה של־אשה במרכב, עיין פסחים דף ג' ע"א. אעפ"י שהמציאות של־רכיבה על גבי בהמה אינו דומה לגמרי להא דידן, מכל־מקום בעצם אין דרכה בכך דומה בכמה דברים שקשה לפרש בכתב וכו'

January 01, 2018, 04:33:40 PM
Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
I have enough confidence in the chinuch I give my kids not to be adversely affected by such a class mate.

I also have confidence in my kids schools to give such solid chinuch, that if there was something inappropriate about parents הנהגות, it would eventually resolve through והשיב לב אבות על בנים.

Looks like your doing a good job!

My point throughout this thread is everyone has a line they don't want to cross. We are judging someone else's line.
Most here are fine with a woman not being able to smoke, as opposed to men but question the legitimacy of not letting them drive.
Most here are fine with a woman not being able were short sleeves or pants, as opposed to men but question the legitimacy of not letting a woman drive.
Most don't want there kids in a class with a non-shomer shabbos kid but question someone else lines.
Some understand a family exposed to TV internet Movies as a valid line but question others line.

My point being as long as you have a line how can you judge some else that want to draw a different line.

January 07, 2018, 09:51:38 PM
Re: Why do some Jewish communities prohibit women from driving?
I'm not sure that you haven't blurred some lines with your statements.

There's most definitely a difference between women wearing short sleeves and many of your other examples.

Going back to the original question of driving, I think the original reasoning has to do with כל כבודה בת מלך פנימה, not so much as a tznius issue, but more as a royalty issue.

After all, yidden are בני ובנות מלכים, and just like a prince isn't expected to drive, but rather be driven, it might be viewed as unbefitting. Now, different people have a different level of איידלקייט, and some might appreciate certain things, while others might not see anything unbefitting in it. The mistake IMHO is when one tries to enforce a "standard of איידלקייט" which I think is an oxymoron.

The Satmar Rabbi seems to mix כל כבודה בת מלך פנימה with tznius

So does Rav Wosner
הגר"ש ואזנר שליט"א בשו"ת שבט הלוי חלק ד' סימן א' אות ב' שכתב בזה"ל, מן הנסיון למדתי שהוא דבר שראוי לאסרו איסור גמור, כי עצם הלימוד [של־נהיגה] גרם כבר וגורם לפריצות, והוא ההיפך הגמור מכל כבודה בת מלך פנימה, כמו שעצם הנהיגה הוא ממש להיפך כל כבודה וגו'. האשה חושפת עצמה בזה בשווקים ורחובות לעין כל רואה, נכשלת ומכשלת את האחרים. ואין דרכה של־אשה במרכב, עיין פסחים דף ג' ע"א. אעפ"י שהמציאות של־רכיבה על גבי בהמה אינו דומה לגמרי להא דידן, מכל־מקום בעצם אין דרכה בכך דומה בכמה דברים שקשה לפרש בכתב וכו'

January 07, 2018, 10:49:57 PM
Re: The Pros And Cons Of Where You Live
The financial backer is providing advice? So why did @mgarfin call him a financial backer?

Helping secure down payment before selling the old house.
Bussing for the first year.
And much more

January 10, 2018, 02:54:31 PM
Re: Do you Daven? A good thing that I got from reading this popcorn.
When I started davening today in the morning I thought to myself about struggles others have with davening.
I questioned myself am I davening the way I should? 

It made me daven with more kavonah and try to take it to a higher level.


January 11, 2018, 10:47:43 AM
Re: (#YWNFakeNews) Multiple Jews Missing Kidneys After Bariatric Surgery In Mexico
Real or #FakeNews?

Were they serving Kidneys?

January 11, 2018, 02:37:52 PM
Re: How many non-Jewish people use this forum?
Do you guys find the jewish-centric stuff annoying?

Please start by telling us where you stand.

Are you non-Jewish who is annoyed or a jew whos annoyed?

BTW Sunday is a bad day for PC.

February 04, 2018, 01:36:56 PM
Re: What makes someone a noob? I have heard in the name of the בית ישראל that שנה ראשונה is תקופה some do it in 3 months and some it takes a few years.
February 12, 2018, 08:26:52 AM
Re: PSA: Group For Victims Of Alex Kay Scam He had a business in this field that supposedly went bankrupt/closed shop.

This story happened after he had closed already.

I think buying miles from A reselling it to B and then using it for yourself is "cheating people on purpose".

February 19, 2018, 11:04:50 AM
Re: PSA: Group For Victims Of Alex Kay Scam
He used to be very reliable. Back then

That how I got connected to this. My BIL called me up he has an offer from Alex for 1.6 on UR. He asked if he was reliable.
I had done a transaction with him 9 months before and was paid a large amount. I vouched form him without checking.

Only after he didn't pay I found on DDF that he claimed to have declared bankruptcy long before!

February 19, 2018, 11:16:15 AM
Re: YWN Toronto Airport Agent Takes Apart Jewish Traveler’s Tefillin
Seriously guys? I didn't think the title needed any editing. It said "YWN" as the first words.

What did y'all expect, I thought that was the best disclaimer a thread could have.

Sorry guys I was trying to get my post count up. I hope that even though it was moved to JS I still get the post count form the original location.

As @jj1000 said I thought YWN was enough of a disclaimer. In hindsight, it should read  "YWN Claims Toronto Airport Agent Takes Apart Jewish Traveler’s Tefillin"

March 13, 2018, 12:24:52 PM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting video thread... In Hebrew
A bit long
אסתיר פניי | סיפור החורבן והשיקום של חייו של האדמו"ר מצאנז - קלויזנבורג וקהילתו

April 12, 2018, 12:34:40 PM
Re: NEW Jewish HealthShare
Not sure you would say that if you would see what my junior high school notebooks looked like. Just line after line of homework assignments that I never bothered doing.  :D

That was school and this is DDF I hope you understand the difference

April 22, 2018, 10:35:37 AM
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June 29, 2018, 10:09:38 AM
Re: Comments That Leave Me Speechless...
The ship tells me that someone called them shouting "how dare this Dan charge $6000 more than the regular price!" and then asked to book and bring his own food.

Did they let him?

That's going to be fun spending 10 days with him on a boat

July 20, 2018, 05:14:26 PM
Re: GOP Debate Live Online? just give us the link
July 27, 2018, 11:50:18 AM
Re: Mazel Tov!!!
Carmy's upsherin

@jj1000  MT

August 15, 2018, 12:47:31 AM
LG G6 $399 from B&H (us997) Have seen it in the past on Amazon for cheaper

October 20, 2018, 11:53:04 PM
Re: Haters, Threats, And Trolls What a welcome back for Dan from Antarctica 😉
December 23, 2018, 02:31:47 PM
Lots of Brooklyn Dr. to stop accepting United Healthcare A few Dr. in Brooklyn have notified me they will stop accepting United healthcare Community plan.

Does anyone know what's going on?
Seems as prior approved services will be a big issue.
Does our in house expert @ExGingi  have anything

February 06, 2019, 10:22:04 AM