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Re: Abortion = Murder?
I'm equally boggled in the opposite direction. How can an (I assume) frum Jew wish that the government not impose rules against slaying an unborn child.
Because I don't want the government coming into my life and telling me what I can and cannot do, besides for the fact that the Torah's view on abortion definitely does not line up with any of these proposed laws.

May 15, 2019, 07:12:19 PM
Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality I've been thinking a lot about abortion and what's going in the news lately.

I'm a frum woman, mother of 2, and being pro-life seemed almost instinctual to me. But beyond my personal beliefs, debating the legality or illegality of abortion requires understanding the (euphemistically named) pro-choice position.

So the defense agains the common pro-abortion arguments are as follows:

1. "My body, my choice": This argument (which often gets intertwined with the viability argument) imagines that since the fetus is inside the mother's womb and cannot survive on its own, it's considered part of the mother. This would be the equivalent of assuming that a car parked inside a garage is part of the house. Or that a cake baking in the oven is part of the oven. The viability argument isn't too sure-footed either. A 3-month-old baby would also die if they were left alone. A toddler would also die if no one would feed them. Some adult husbands would die if they weren't fed ;) . The fact that someone requires care doesn't mean that they don't have the right to exist.

2. "A fetus isn't a baby": Well, that's right, a fetus isn't a baby. Just the same way a baby isn't a child and a child isn't a teenager and a teenager isn't an adult. They're all at different developmental stages. But ultimately, they are all human. It's a human fetus. In fact, if you can handle it- take a look at these first trimester images and tell me that this isn't a human.

3. The rape/incest case: As horrible and as tragic as these cases are, getting an abortion doesn't take away the rape. Furthermore, the unborn child isn't guilty of the crimes of his father. How can we justify taking someone's innocent life for a crime he didn't commit?

For the offensive play, pro-lifers point out the brutality of abortion.
Many people don't even know that most surgical abortions involve at the very least the dismemberment of the fetus. While rare, late term saline abortions have the baby undergo chemical burns from the inside out. If you have the stomach for it, you can google other late term abortion horrors.
You can learn about the actual details of an abortion procedure here, it's not the same as having a cancerous, clump of tissue removed.

There is evidence that suggest that the fetus can feel pain from 16weeks and on:
we cannot deny that the fetal nervous system mounts protective responses to tissue injury. A physiological fetal reaction to painful stimuli occurs from between 16 and 24 weeks’ gestation on.

On the scientific front things seem clear. A fetus is it's own human being, with it's own distinct set of DNA.

But things get murkier- what do we say to those babies being born into poverty, into immature and even neglectful families, those born with conditions that will make their life a struggle? What about those babies who are simply unwanted? Are they better off dead?

What if in the future we will have guaranteed pain-free abortions? What if scientists could find incontrovertible truth that babies are not conscious prior to birth? Would that change things?

Pro-life proponents would still argue "no". And that brings us to the heart of the matter: the sanctity of life. And this is the underlying answer to all of the pro-life arguments. This is why it doesn't matter what Life is, or when exactly it starts. Life is precious. Life is the most. precious. thing. Even the life of an unwanted, inconvenient baby. Even the life of a rapist's child. Even the life of a baby with Down Syndrome. Even the life of a baby who will grow up to live a poor, hard, obstacle-ridden, mostly miserable life.

At least that's how I see it.

But this is no longer a cold-hard, logical, scientific truth. The sanctity of life is a uniquely religious idea. Because we are made in the image of G-d, that is why human life is precious. If we remove G-d from the picture- is life precious from an evolutionary standpoint? Is the 80-90 year lifespan of one (statistically prone to be) unremarkable human important among the millions of years, millions of species that precede and succeed it? Not much. Should this clump of molecules, this group of atoms matter more than this amoeba, that bacteria, this asteroid shooting, hurtling around in galaxy? And if this particular life will be difficult and often unhappy, then maybe it's even a kindness to kill it.

So for me, ultimately it's an issue of morality. And morality is inherently a religious constructs. Again, if nature is king and evolution dictates the progression of the world- why does social justice matter? In fact, in today's parlance, evolution is 'racist'! According to natural selection, it's only inevitable that 'the fittest' end up on top. That the smartest and strongest dominate and exploit the weaker isn't evil or unjust- it's only the way nature is designed!

So now, does immoral = illegal?
Should it?

As a frum jew, from a Torah perspective, something is illegal precisely because it is immoral. But is that something we should pursue in a secular government? What about separation of church and state?
I remember frum Jews posting somewhat celebratory messages when gay marriage was legalized in 2015. The government shouldn't dictate the terms of morality, they wrote.

But where is the line drawn? And what kind of arguments can be made when God is removed from the picture?

If you've made it this far- thanks! I'd love to hear your thoughts.

May 16, 2019, 02:44:22 PM
Re: Site Suggestions
see my first post
What does it have to do with anything?!

question for the world. im kind new to the whole visa GC, BB transfer at a WM ATM situation. unfortunately like most ppl. all the NCR ATM machines are out of order. so i need other methods of cashing out my GCs. my next best option is to have a cashier do it for me. can someone please walk me through the process? itll be really helpful. thanks a million!!

June 04, 2019, 02:46:05 PM
Re: Quaker Chewy Granola Bars Variety Pack, 58 Count-$8.25 or less


July 07, 2019, 08:06:34 PM
$2.74 - 1-Liter Crest Scope Outlast Mouthwash Long Lasting Peppermint Crest Scope Outlast Mouthwash Long Lasting Peppermint

July 10, 2019, 08:27:44 AM
Re: Targeted get a $10 amazon credit after watching a tv show or movie via prime vid
Im not a rav..... but offer includes jewish movies including menashe ;)
How to find out if you are targeted? Clicking on the above link does not tell me if targeted or not?

July 22, 2019, 09:21:58 PM
Snyder's of Hanover Mini Pretzels, 40 Ounce Large Canister $4.96
July 31, 2019, 06:12:36 AM
Fruit Roll-Ups Fruit Snacks, Mega Pack - Strawberry - 30 count $5.00 with S&S
August 14, 2019, 11:19:23 PM
Re: Tickets for the "2020 Siyam Hashas" Wheres the Dayis going to be positioned? Title gets an Ouch!
August 20, 2019, 07:28:18 AM
Re: Buy 2 get 1 free Kitchenware (Reynolds, Hefty, Ziploc, Etc)
Nice find!

September 04, 2019, 12:15:44 PM
Re: Sign up for Lenovo Rewards and get $10 free
sry. I currently have terrible reception. didn't see your post
MS posts don't count against a repost on DDF.

September 12, 2019, 08:46:07 PM
Re: Shana Tova / Happy New Year / Gut Gebentched Yahr Amen, a sweet new year for my (DDF) family!
September 27, 2019, 02:10:41 PM
Re: MLB Master Thread Cole is warming up in the bullpen.
October 31, 2019, 08:16:29 PM
Re: New Coin Deal
Being a follower and not a leader is not how great companies are made. They have no choice to match unless they want to be left in others dust.
I'm happy to keep buying for @pfscoins even at $200 vs. $250.
Loyalty is a 2 way street and PFS has showed that to me time and time again.

November 07, 2019, 12:26:38 PM
Re: Printer & Scanner Deals Master Thread Looking for a Laser color all in one printer deal. Would like it to be a good quality brand that doesnt jam often, and has a multi purpose bypass tray (anything more than the SINGLE feeder ones) besides the standard tray. Any recomendations?
November 30, 2019, 08:21:34 PM
Re: GAP cardigan button down wool sweater $28 added, sorry about that
December 06, 2019, 11:00:46 AM
Re: 3 Pedal Exercisers With LCD Monitor - $36.98 That's insane. I ordered all 3, but if you just put in either of the two which are not collapsable, each drops to 22 and change.
December 10, 2019, 09:48:25 AM
Re: What Were Your Favorite DansDeals Of The Decade? This has to be up there. The gray rocking chair for $10.00.  Thanks for everything Dan!!

December 22, 2019, 08:45:15 AM
Re: בר הי הי not exactly the same thing but פתח פתוח is one song that just doesn't work after learning כתובות
January 19, 2020, 02:41:12 PM
Re: בר הי הי
Lol  couldn't of* said it better


January 20, 2020, 10:35:55 AM
Re: Kobe Bryant, one of the greats RIP!
Shtickle Golus vibes how the oilams so heartbroken. Klal Yisroel in pain needs our sympathy and support more
It’s symptomatic of the golus we are in. Same for those tuning in to Rush or Hannity for hours every day, or lining up at the Trump events. (Many of my political views happen to lean conservative by the way). And there are countless other examples of areas where frum Jews have lost sight of who we are, and that we are on a different trajectory than those around us, as talented as they may be. We are on a journey that spans thousands of years, and scores of host countries and cultures, on a path from Matan Torah to the final geulah. Anyone cognizant of this can not possibly identify in a personal way with the fleeting culture and company surrounding us that will all too soon fade into the forgotten past as surely as the scores of other proud cultures we have outlasted have. Our present environment, as grateful as we are to this malchus shel chessed, is but another brief encounter in our long journey that connects us with eternity.

 Chazal tell us
ותמלא הארץ אותם. שנתמלאו בתי טרטיאות ובתי קרקסיאות מהם, מיד גזרו עליהם לרוש מן המטה, שנאמר ותמלא הארץ אותם
In Egypt, the prototype of all future golus, it was at the point that the Jews started entering the theaters and places of entertainment, identifying with the Egyptian culture, that Hashem caused the Egyptians to turn on Klal Yisrael. As one of the pre-war gedolim once said:
והוצאתי אתכם מתחת סבלות מצרים
When they could no longer bear being part of the culture of mitzrayim
that is the point that they were ready to be redeemed.It’s sad, but simply a symptom of where many of us are holding

January 26, 2020, 06:22:31 PM
Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread
He was jewish
At the recent Jewish Retreat in Rhode Island I met the rabbi who is Kirk Douglas’ rabbi. First time they got together it was for a Shabbat, met in Israel.
He walks into the Shul, and starts chanting... the Friday night service… Lechu neraneno lahashem. Rabbi is shocked that he knew it. Kirk says:
“Rabbi, I’m an actor, I know my lines. But Judaism is all form - no content.”

Why do you say that?

Look, I grew up I an Orthodox home, they hoped I’d be a rabbi, my mother made challah and lit candles, but it’s all form - no content.

So the rabbi asked him:
Imagine if you’d be spending money now the way you understood money as a
child, how would that be?

I’d be squandering it away on non-sense.

Imagine if you’d be eating foods the way you treated food as a child?

I’d be eating junk!

So why are you basing your view of G-d on your view from childhood!

February 06, 2020, 07:46:06 PM
Re: Baltimore Master Thread

Dougie's is the best food in Baltimore though.
I was with you until this, now you've lost all credibility in my eyes.

February 11, 2020, 11:11:59 AM
Re: Baltimore Master Thread YESH  new Israeli place is excellent
February 11, 2020, 11:34:19 PM
Re: Mazel Tov!!! Mazel tov to @bb1836 on the birth of a boy!!!
February 14, 2020, 10:46:32 AM
Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread I am absolutely blown away by all the wishes from everybody. May all the berachos be mekaim and may כלל ישראל never know again from צרות.
February 15, 2020, 02:45:38 PM
Re: Welcome to the Coronavirus Board Well the most important question is will the posts here count towards my post count?
March 04, 2020, 06:02:23 PM
Re: good board game ideas for Pesach
you didn't seem to understand my question. I was looking for the original of dominion, not settlers
It's called the Dominion the base game. 2nd edition
search amazon for Rio-Grande-Games-Dominion-2nd
sometimes it's on sale, but not today  :(
extensions are great but I would just start with the base game.

April 02, 2020, 10:35:14 PM
Starbucks Frappuccino, Mocha, 9.5 Fl Oz 15 Count ($11.54-$13.58) IIRC these are marked K-D, which is kosher/cholov stam by R' Zezulun Charlap, but do your own due dilligence.

Starbucks Frappuccino, Mocha, 9.5 Fl Oz (15 Count) ($11.54-$13.58)

May 15, 2020, 01:47:48 PM
Re: Amazon Prime Visa Card   I just discovered you can redeem your Amazon Reward points for a cash value credit, either transferred to your attached Bank account or statement credit on your cc, Vs using to pay for your Amazon purchases.

 I always thought I'm tied to redeem for my Amazon purchase, felt the need to buy something to redeem my rewards and I lost out on a $500 purchase.
 For Example If i would use my Amazon Rewards card I would gain an additional 2500 ($25) Points or have the ability to use my Amex or Chase cards which have the Extended warranty and protection.

   That means there shouldn't be any reason one would be redeeming their points on Amazon upon checkout, rather redeem it for cash back and then use a cc on the purchase to earn additional points like meantioned before.

 Can't believe that I'm only bumping into this option now.
 And for the longest time I was redeeming my points on Amazon.
 I've collected many Amazon points over the years and I lost out while not knowing this redemption ability.

Quote from: Dan - February 6, 2017 2:29PM
That makes your effective rebate on Amazon purchases at least 7.5%.
   That's a true statement, but then again your 7.5% is limited to use only at select places like meantioned; airfare, hotels, car rentals, and activities.
   While if you're not traveling then your better off using the Amazon Prime card from the comfort of your home Vs going to an office supply store and buying a GC, as well you're not getting any of the benefits that the Amazon Prime card has to offer, just to name one off the top of my head, Theft and damage protection up to $500 Per claim.

June 18, 2020, 08:36:46 PM
Re: RUN - Bluetooth LED Lights - $0.99
If you didn't run, you saved 99 cents!

Got $5 Amazon promo

This is one the ways of earning for runing

July 07, 2020, 01:44:09 PM
Re: Amazon Prime Visa Card
Does anyone know if using the Amazon 5% CC on multiple amazon accounts makes it so that you don't get 5% back on every purchase?
Your best bet is to actually try and see what happens.

July 23, 2020, 05:41:29 AM
Re: Infant Travel
I’m sure this has been asked at some point, will a Doona Car seat fit on a southwest plane?

July 24, 2020, 01:01:59 PM
Re: Life Hacks, Post Your Favorites!
will a frozen water bottle pass through TSA so it can be drunk on a plane when it defrosts?
I believe it can, as long as not too much melts by the time your there.

July 27, 2020, 03:19:41 PM
Re: Life Hacks, Post Your Favorites!
When the TSA first banned water bottles through the gate, a college friend of mine was pregnant, and traveling to Taiwan with her husband. He said that they should try this. I told him I'd love to be a fly on the wall when you try to explain to the TSA that it's really a solid and not a liquid.

Problem is, not all TSA agents are familiar with this and some will give you a hard time. Not worth the time and effort of trying to show them and escalating to a supervisor.

July 27, 2020, 05:20:24 PM
Re: Hat Tip Leaderboard Welcome @Abebee to the 100 HT club!
July 29, 2020, 06:28:07 PM
Re: New TV shows.
Does Unorthodox miniseries (Netflix) not deserve even the slightest mention? I'm surprised that it didn't make here yet.

Anyone seen it?

August 05, 2020, 04:16:01 PM
Re: Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread


August 07, 2020, 10:13:50 AM
Re: Life Hacks, Post Your Favorites! Ever need your credit card and you don't have your wallet next to you?
On the iPhone, open the photos app, and search for "credit card". It'll pull up any pictures you ever took of your credit cards. And if you're worried about storing cards on your phone, well now you know how easy it is to find and delete them.

Probably works on Android too.

August 07, 2020, 11:16:04 AM
Re: Pictures taken from or on the plane/airports (only taken yourself) Only those from Baltimore will appreciate this:
Quarry on Greenspring Ave.

August 13, 2020, 12:11:56 PM
Re: Car Backup Camera
of course. was the first place I went to. Was just hoping that someone here went through this with this car...
Smart move.

 Indeed hopefully there's someone here that did that, and can walk you through or tell you what he did.

August 17, 2020, 05:46:04 PM
Asking for a friend...for real  ;D

I've heard that when you deposit checks from buying groups directly to your chase account, they shut you down. Should I deposit to a different bank account and then transfer that money to my chase account, and then use that money to pay off the CC's from chase that I have been using for the buying groups?

Why not just pay off your CC from the "different bank" that you deposit the checks into?

August 17, 2020, 08:49:55 PM
Asking for a friend...for real  ;D

I've heard that when you deposit checks from buying groups directly to your chase account, they shut you down. Should I deposit to a different bank account and then transfer that money to my chase account, and then use that money to pay off the CC's from chase that I have been using for the buying groups?

I think the problem is when you pay the cc with the checks.  Not when you deposit it to chase.

August 17, 2020, 08:55:50 PM
Asking for a friend...for real  ;D

I've heard that when you deposit checks from buying groups directly to your chase account, they shut you down. Should I deposit to a different bank account and then transfer that money to my chase account, and then use that money to pay off the CC's from chase that I have been using for the buying groups?

I think the problem is when you pay the cc with the checks.  Not when you deposit it to chase.

Any questionable check can trigger a shutdown.
best is to use a low key bank to deposit the check then pay the CC from the 2nd bank 

August 17, 2020, 09:18:10 PM
Re: Verizon Unlimited 2017 Plan
So if someone is on a plan with 5 other phones, and one of those phones goes above 20GB, do all the other phones on the plan suffer or only the one that went over?
When I asked back in 20... I was told that its per line.

August 19, 2020, 06:10:32 PM
Re: Hat Tip Leaderboard Thank you @Dan and @jj10O0 appreciate the very generous gift package!

September 06, 2020, 12:25:16 AM
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14.5" Neck 32" Sleeve

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September 07, 2020, 09:32:54 PM
Re: 50 Disposable Face Masks - $0.00
Had I done that my order would never have arrived today  ;)
Lol. True

September 13, 2020, 07:49:35 PM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread

September 16, 2020, 11:03:13 AM
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September 29, 2020, 09:32:09 AM