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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
I am blaming Trump for the WH blunders. You really think I care if he is a R or D?

I find it odd you giving me advice about obsessions doing more harm than good.
Why are the holdouts R's?

Seems that is ALL you care about.

April 05, 2020, 10:22:21 AM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
Would you give your life vest to a child you did not know or was from a different country? Should states not send ventilators to NYC because they might need them later on?

I am not saying you are wrong just not the answers I expected especially on this forum.

Let's start with the child example. We're not talking about children. We're talking adults to adults. Just because they're Canadian doesn't mean they're somehow less self-sufficient.

Regarding the answers you're seeing, the thread is about administration blunders. From a political perspective, the administration answers to the people of the US and is responsible for their well-being. They would be derelict in their duty if they sent vital equipment out of the country to the detriment of US lives.

Regarding states sending equipment to NYC, it depends on the details. Who owns the equipment?  Is it the state? Is it private healthcare providers? Is it federally owned but on loan or stored in certain states? You also have certain states that are virtually guaranteed to not get hit nearly as hard as NY, both by virtue of population density and by the benefit of learning from NY's mistakes and taking extra precautions earlier.

April 06, 2020, 10:21:06 AM
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
Why aren't schools taking advantage of PPP ? This should be a no brainer for almost every school. The issue I'm struggling with at my organization, is the 2 month payroll comes right up to June when we furlough half our hourly employees every year for two months (college break). But if schools pay teachers salaries based on 12 months, then PPP is a no brainier...

Many of them probably are, and will charge tuition anyway.

April 06, 2020, 06:31:06 PM
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Re: A goy does care. When I wrote my post, I was going to include a disclaimer about you - how you clearly DO care very much. In the end I didn't, because, Jew or not, I think you're pretty much part of the community by now so you were included in my main point.

My point was that as Jews our community is both emotionally closer and physically more spread out than what is typically considered a community, hence the overwhelming amount of pain we feel - while a typical John Doe does not have that personal connection to so many others.

Obviously there are "tens of millions" who do care about others they don't know, but I don't think that they do so on quite the same personal level.

You are somewhat of an outlier with a very strong connection to our community - not very many Catholics are Honorary Internet Jews ;D. Jews are a family, and you're part of it.

April 08, 2020, 10:01:13 AM
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
Who said it's illegal?

How about R’ Chaim Kanievsky? Is he holy enough for you?

No? How about R’ Gershon Edelstein, who specifically had a picture publicized of him davening b’yechidus “so that others should see, and understand that if I can daven without a minyan, then so should they”?!

Wake up, people. It’s not about the black-and-white of a government decree. The government is not your freaking babysitter. Just because you found a loophole in something they said, that doesn’t necessarily make it suddenly healthy and wise to do so!!!! Just because you’re allowed to buy cigarettes when you’re older than 18, for example, that doesn’t mean that smoking is healthy for you... it simply means that there’s a limit to how much the government can be your babysitter, and after which point you have to GROW THE $&@% UP and take responsibility for your own actions.

If this is something that EVERY MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL HAS SAID SHOULD NOT BE DONE, and ALMOST EVERY RABBINICAL AUTHORITY OF NOTE HAS AGREED WITH, to the point that RAV CHAIM KANIEVSKY EXPLICITLY SAID THAT YOU CAN REPORT PEOPLE WHO MAKE ILLEGAL MINYANIM TO THE AUTHORITIES, then why do you have to think you’re smarter?! Why?! Why?! WHY?!?! WHY?!?!?! Did not enough Jews die yet to convince you?!?!

If you contract COVID-19 while attending a minyan these days (even if you found a “loophole” in the secular law for that) and die from it, do you really think you’ll be welcomed into Shamayim with open arms as someone who died “al kiddush Hashem”?! Or do you think you’ll be getting the express elevator to the basement, for violating divrei chachamim and explicitly going against the words of virtually every gadol of note b’zman hazeh?!

In summary... my main point is: it’s not just government laws that can make something illegal. Commands from our gedolim can make something “illegal” for a G-d fearing Jew, too. And even if you find a valid “loophole”, you’re still an idiot, and your blood - and the blood of others - is on your hands.

April 12, 2020, 03:05:52 PM
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
Sorry guys but this is black and white. The laws of our country come first or they don't. Saying "not per say" or "it generally applies" means our laws do not come first.
You do realize that for all of our history we've been persecuted by our ruling governments, right?

Even America, which has been one of our most gracious and generous hosts in history has had cities flirt with banning foundational parts of our religion.

If practicing Catholicism was banned by law, which would you pick?
Seems far fetched to you, but that's literally our entire history.

It's about the furthest thing from black and white there could be.

April 12, 2020, 09:51:05 PM
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
For someone who never misses a minyan this is a truly troubling situation. Someone who misses minyanim for non essential travel will obviously not show up now, thus they aren't a proof of anything.

We are not baseball players keeping a streak alive!!!!

April 12, 2020, 10:54:57 PM
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
Crazy that you think posting here would have had that outcome.
:o
I could tell you that @yuneeq, @chevron, and others saved a lot of people through posting here.

April 13, 2020, 12:08:52 AM
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim My personal take:
In Wuhan, Spain, Italy, and England, there were set times that people went on their porches to sing, serenade each other, yell to each other, applaud medical workers, ect. Everyone in the world thought it was wonderful, and there were laudatory headlines and videos everywhere. Suddenly, when people are doing the same thing to sing and praise Hashem, they're evil. It feels to me like the story with the yid on the train in the 1950s, that someone came over to him and berated him for the chilul Hashem he was causing by dressing in the old world style long coat, hat, and beard. The person looked at the yeller blankly and said "I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm Amish, and this is how we preserve our traditions. I'm sorry if it offends you." The yeller apologized profusely, and said how wonderful he thought it was that he was preserving the ways of his ancestors and how he should be proud of it... The "Amish" guy said to him "For the Amish it's wonderful and praiseworthy, but for a yid it's a chilul Hashem"?

In addition, many non essential businesses are still open, and I don't see people getting emotional about people attending. I haven't seen a single business where appropriate social distancing measures were maintained. Not a single one. Not banks, not pharmacies, not supermarkets... Nothing. In fact, it's nearly impossible for appropriate non contagion measures to be maintained in these settings. Yet I don't see anyone getting emotional about them. I have seen minyanim where appropriate distances were maintained. An outdoor minyan setting is significantly more feasible to maintain a safe environment than a store, being as not everyone needs to be in the same aisles getting the same items by necessity, it's possible to be over a much larger area, and people are not touching the same surfaces. Yet all these pseudo epidemiologists that speak 3 words of Yiddish and know how to yell in a WhatsApp video are convinced that all these people that ch'v answer amen yehei shmei rabbah are rotzchim.

If we were taking social distancing as seriously as these people feel we should, every store should be closed. Yes, EVERY SINGLE ONE. Forget about the liquor stores and other ridiculous stores that are legally allowed to remain open (I haven't seen a single WhatsApp video ranting about those-in fact, it seems that the august darshanim like to utilize them...)-every food store and pharmacy should be closed too. They can all be converted to deliver only, and organizations can be mobilized and arranged to take orders, pack them, and deliver them. Kreindy won't get the brand mayonnaise she likes, and Berel won't get his favorite rack of ribs? They'll survive on potatoes and matzah. I'm well aware that people need emergency medications ect... They can all be delivered. These stores are infinitely more dangerous than minyanim, based on the apparent impossibility to operate them in a safe mannerism. If every guy that is ranting about people davening with a minyan would volunteer to help take orders and deliver, this would be entirely doable. This is a warzone we're talking about, not peacetime. Nobody should be talking about how this isn't feasible because their kids get cranky if they don't have fresh milk and eggs and their favorite brand cereal every 2 days.

Different people seem to have different priorities. I think the same people that rant about the chilul Hashem of minyanim on airplanes, the chilul Hashem of men not sitting next to women, and the chilul Hashem of the Yidden in the 1950s that walked around with a yarmulke and peyos and beard are ranting about this. It depends which religion you subscribe to.

This is my personal take.

However, I am wrong. That is because I asked my posek, one of the gedolim in America, (and I heard the same from someone else who personally asked another very choshuve posek that has been consulted about life and death questions for decades), and he said not to participate in a such a minyan, even if it is being operated on a mannerism that most doctors would consider 100% safe. He did not explain why.

Every person has to have a Rav that they listen to אפילו אם אמר על שמאל ימין ועל ימין שמאל, and this is what my Rav said. Therefore, I am 100% wrong, and all my logic otherwise is worthless.

I must admit that it's very difficult for me. There is a minyan outside my house that consists of a few different families, each on their own individual property in their single family homes, well more than all the recommended distances apart. I literally just have to walk onto my front porch to be part of the minyan, and I hear them davening. Listening to a ruling that is nearly a chok to me is personally very difficult. However, that is the halacha, and I believe that a person who listens to their Rav no matter what does not regret it, and that is what will being the geulah more than any minyan.

 כשם שמקבלים שכר על הדרישה, כך מקבלים שכר על הפרישה.

(Repost because first got lost.)

April 13, 2020, 11:33:32 AM
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread We've gone through this before, and there are no good numbers to work with. I'll try to sum it up.

The issue with confirmed cases starts with our numbers in the US. We know most people with the virus didn't get tested. We also know that the accuracy of the tests has been reported to be as low as 50-60%. Both os these things are leading to greatly underreported confirmed cases here. To then compare our inaccurate numbers to those of other countries, who are administrating different tests in different ways and have a plethora of their own issues... let's just say it's very far from scientific.

Deaths are a little more accurate, but not by much. There are 2 main issues with comparing US deaths with other countries. The first is accuracy. The US has pretty accurate statistics on deaths, even those at home, but they aren't complete. While some other countries also have accurate death records, they are a tiny minority. Most countries don't have the infrastructure to report accurately on a good day, and definitely not during a crisis. The second issue with death numbers is that each country has their own standard for what they consider a Covid-19 related death. The US has the broadest definition. If you die in the US and Covid-19 is a factor, you count. Cancer, heart attack, kidney issue, degenerative disease - doesn't matter. If covid-19 played any kind of part, it counts. Other countries have a very wide variety of definitions, and they are more likely to have narrower criteria.

In other words, to do a comparative study, you need to compare apples to apples. We don't even know how many apples we have to compare to their oranges, cherries, or bananas.

April 14, 2020, 04:36:13 AM
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Re: POLL: Wedding expenses in the frum Community - BH for simchos? or out of hand? I guess I'll jump in...
DW and I both 22 when we got married. Actual wedding day costs 14k at the Concord al"h.  Including 1 man band $1500, flowers, hall and dinner for 350. Food was nothing to write home about but the wedding was amazing and would have been just as amazing if we got married at Sasson Vsimcha for $6000 all inclusive. (Some friends actually did). We didn't chose the hall. DW gown was borrowed, my suit was $99 JosBank clearance. After the wedding, we went straight to our very own 2.5 bedroom walk in level basement apartment in Brooklyn which we paid $1000 monthly for until we moved to Boston 7 years later.
Bedroom set was 3rd hand gift. Dining room table and chairs were purchased second hand made it all on our own and hosted all yamim tovim  the first 2 years we were married (hashem yeracheim  :) ) 7 years later we bought our own home in Boston with a 20% down payment and continued to lived in the basement of our home with  4 children bli ayin hara, while renting the top levels to replenish our savings . There are many just like us... Just doesn't make the "news" since we're just average Joe's living day to day, not millionaires but not 10s of thousands in debt... In short nothing news worthy.... This year we rented the basement and live upstairs and can finally afford our very own 14ft quarantinetrampoline in the backyard  :D

April 19, 2020, 06:51:37 PM
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NISSIM!!! WELCOME BACK @MICKEYG!!!!!! https://www.dansdeals.com/more/coronavirus/prayers-michael-goldsmith-effected-covid-19/

https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/news-roundup/covid-19-news-roundup-4-5-20-shifting-origin-story-billionaires-good-plague-wild-animals-trapped-away-home-chicken-soup-soul/#Michael_Goldsmith%E2%80%99s_Fight_For_Remdesivir_Is_Over,_But_Others_May_Be_Saved_By_The_Fight

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Michael Goldsmith, 34 year old father of 2, is in critical condition and fighting for his life against COVID-19. He’s on a respirator, in a medically-induced coma.
Chasdei Hashem! After 25+ days on a ventilator. https://www.facebook.com/jshlagbaum/videos/10105550466672580/?d=n
If only I could remember, I'd give you a TR....

April 19, 2020, 09:47:38 PM
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Re: POLL: Wedding expenses in the frum Community - BH for simchos? or out of hand? Warning: I'm going to rant here. Definitely my longest DDF post ever. If you don't read it, I don't blame you. If you quote my post, take out all the text so that it doesn't take up a whole page.

I just looked at the numbers in the Mishoacha article, and my one question is: Are the 7 case studies in their article an accurate representation of what people across jewish communities spend on weddings?

If they are an accurate representation, then I think we have a big issue aside from the actual wedding costs in our community. I'm not saying that a 250-person-wedding campaign isn't a good idea, but I think there's a completely separate issue here that needs to be addressed as well.

Looking at 4/7 of these cases:

1. Somone "lives from paycheck to paycheck" and "doesn't have money for extras" but spent $14k on gifts for the kallah and $17k on furniture/housewares/linnen/apartment setup? In addition to this campaign to reduce your $24k share of the actual wedding expenses, maybe we can work on cutting down the $31k of gifts and home furnishings?

2. Someone is "solidly middle class" and "carries credit card debt from month to month", but spent $7k on sheitels, $5.5k on clothing, $7.6k on shabbos sheva brachos and $2.5k on a watch? Reducing these other expenses might yield more savings than a klal-yisroel-wide revolution to trim your $27k share of wedding expenses a bit.

3. You say that "while the business is doing well, we still have some debt to pay off" and you "we didn’t have any money in savings when our daughter got engaged" but you spent $16k on a vort, $8.5k on sheitels, $9k on clothing for the kallah (plus $5k on the gown), $15k on shabbos sheva brachos, $17k on gifts for the chassan (including a $2,350 silver kos), $11k on furniture, $6.5k on linens and towels (!), and $10k on piece of jewlery for the mother? Compared to trimming some of those ~$100k of expenses, I'm not sure that trying to cut down some of your $32k share of the wedding expenses is really such a big deal.

4. You're someone whose finances mean that "it takes a while to save up money for a wedding" but saved up to spend $7k for a chosson watch? $17k between flowers, tablecloths and flooring?

For someone that has lots of money and want to spend it on a comfortable lifestyle, $12k of furniture, $9k of clothing, a $7k watch, $17k of gifts and a $15k shabbos sheva brachos are all nice luxuries to have; but for anyone who's trying to work on cutting down the costs of marrying off their children, those are not necessities, they're luxuries.

People who carry credit card debt can buy cheap furniture. People who have no savings can buy a linens and towels for $1,000 instead of $6,500. People who live paycheck to paycheck can furnish their young couple's apartment for less than $17k. These items are simply not what people in these economic class can afford.

Please tell me that these cases are not an accurate representation of what most people spend.

/end rant

TLDR: If the cases presented by Mishpacha are an accurate representation of what Klal Yisroel spends, then on top of a 250-person wedding campaign I think we have to work on understanding necessities and luxuries.

April 21, 2020, 09:41:56 PM
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
I guess someone does understand.
We all understand. It's OK if a Jew wants to be extra careful and take unnecessary precautions just to appease anti Semites. It's a free country. But it's anti Semitic for someone else to expect that of a Jew, and anti Semitic to blame a Jew for anti semitism for not appeasing anti Semites.

   

April 22, 2020, 09:54:45 AM
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Re: Is this the ultimate RESET - will states be allowed to declare bankruptcy?
So basically stick it the workers while we give trillions to bail out businesses. The feds need to bailout the states just like they are bailing out everyone else.
Spoken like a true pensioner.
And who will bail out the Feds?

April 22, 2020, 02:34:52 PM
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Re: Delta to tlv opening May 8
Do you not realize how many people in the Jewish/Yeshiva world rely on you for airline news and don’t really know much else.
I just wish all these thousands of readers would also have signed the petition @Dan set up to help all of us travelers. It's embarrassing how few signatures it got considering how many readers he has. People put up with so much anguish and frustration due to airlines lack of accountability, and by taking about 20-40 seconds to sign a petition, they could have brought all these powerful arguments to the attention of the proper authorities. (No, 1,706 signatures is not enough to attract attention to even read his post) We kvech and complain all the time about airlines bullying and nickel and diming, but when there's an opportunity to act, suddenly everyone was AWOL.

(I know I went a bit off topic, but you mentioned his thousands of readers etc. and this thread anyway went offtopic so I decided to unload this here...)

April 22, 2020, 07:38:55 PM
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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
What i believe OP is asking.
If He's the landlord of an apartment in Israel renting it out to an American couple that flew in for pesach and now can't fly back. What happens to rent if a lease was singed?
Why would they not have to pay?

April 22, 2020, 08:48:34 PM
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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
Sure feels that way even without citation. Every second person had some symptoms. Will not be surprised that its higher than that. Exposure was definitely higher than that. Just look at the numbers from the one New Rochelle case.

IMHO, this narrative is sooo dangerous to the Tri-state Jewish communities. It breeds a false sense of security, where terms like "herd immunity" are bandied about. Without real numbers, the potential for a second wave devastating those communities is huge. Everyone's walking around feeling like they're Superman, because "I couldn't smell for 3 months!" and "My whole family had it, including my relative who on a vent." IMO, that false sense of security is more dangerous than not knowing anything about it to begin with.

April 23, 2020, 02:39:18 PM
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Re: Tehillim for people with corona virus
If someone can add my wife to the wiki
Sara Adel (pronounced Uh-del) bas Chana Leah who is currently on a ventilator it would be appreciated
חסדי ה' after 12+ days on ventilator my wife has!! been extubated

April 23, 2020, 02:57:24 PM
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
חסדי ה' after 12+ days on ventilator my wife has!! been extubated

April 23, 2020, 03:04:09 PM
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Re: How much is COVID-19 affecting your life now? Speaking of demand, It’s easy to see a situation where there is an over supply of kosher meat. I wouldn’t be shocked if there are well over 100,000 less portions of beef and poultry being used each night in the absence of weddings, bar mitzvahs, sheva brachos, parlor meetings, organizational dinners, business meetings, eat in dining, etc. etc.

Some of those people will need to eat anyway, and will choose beef but  likely the vast majority of those portions will go unused

April 23, 2020, 07:41:20 PM
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
Rav Shlomo Miller put out a letter that all porch minyanim that do laining or chazzaras hashatz  are a bracha livatala and Rav Felder gave a shiur saying most poskim (gra, chayei Adam, aruch hashulchan)don’t hold it works for tziruf and the Mishna Berura also isnt meikel even in a shas hadechak  only perhaps in a major shas  hadechak, to the point that Rav Felder advises that the chazzan has to make a tnai that it should be tefilas nedava, and there’s no chiyuv for a yachid to join if he davens better alone.

Do R’ SMK and the others agree with this? If so why wasn’t any of this noted on the letter which sounds like it is lechatchila. Also why the big push to instate porch minyanim given these issues?
In case you haven’t noticed, this was never about doing the right thing or what’s lechatchila. Pikuach Nefesh trumps minyan, always and absolutely.

It’s about doing what you want, so they found a heter.

April 24, 2020, 12:01:01 AM
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
Stop accusing thousands of yidden of being minyan haters who are people that were lax about minyan before this started so they have no appreciation for the importance of minyan.
FTFY How dare you. I'm makpid on minyan and more makpid on Pikuach Nefesh. Read about the psychos on my block and then shut your mouth.

April 24, 2020, 12:35:30 AM
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Re: Corona virus and your shul You are obviously not in BP or Williamsburg @Yehuda57 There is a poloce car stationed outside Satmar on 52nd Street counting how many people are going in and out. I'm jealous of those areas where Jews are keeping the rules. Im saddened that my neighbors and most of Boro Park cannot in one way or another do the right thing. I invite you to come here any day at 9am and 7pm. I wish I was making it up.
April 24, 2020, 10:25:30 AM
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
Will it work?

In those communities? I'd say for the vast majority.

April 24, 2020, 12:16:26 PM
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
Lichvod the Wonderful Members of our Far Rockaway and Five Towns Community שיחיו,

We sincerely hope that this letter finds you all managing well under the current difficult circumstances, and we daven continuously that HaKB"H send all Acheinu B'nei Yisroel the refuos, nechamos, and yeshuos for which we all so truly yearn.

There has recently been much discussion regarding the loosening of social distancing restrictions. We would like to specifically address herein the numerous calls and requests that have been presented to all our community Rabbanim regarding outdoor Minyanim.

Many individuals have been asking Rabbanim to demonstrate leadership by issuing clear guidelines for the establishment of safe outdoor Minyanim. We all understand that Tefilla Bi'Tzibbur is a crucial imperative for Klal Yisroel, especially in a time of crisis, and that davening together could provide us the זכויות and the connection that we so desperately need. People are requesting that Rabbanim, in conjunction with medical professionals, create guidelines for safe and legal Minyanim in our neighborhoods, with all participants wearing masks at safe distances, perhaps on separate properties, with safeguards in place to ensure that there is no significant risk.

We, the undersigned Rabbanim and Roshei Yeshivos, after much thought and careful consideration, feel obligated to communicate- in unequivocal terms- our united decision to reinforce our previous mandate, and bid our community against the creation of any Minyanim, as well as to cease unauthorized Minyanim. This includes porches, front-/backyard, Minyanim--with no exceptions whatsoever. We will continue to reassess and reanalyze this decision on a regular and ongoing basis as new developments unfold.

Pikuach Nefesh is the greatest imperative in the Torah, and overrides almost any other Mitzva. Although on an individual level it may be possible to safeguard against risk, it is impossible to allow the establishment of Minyanim across a community without also accepting the unavoidable violations of safety guidelines and inadvertent health risks that will inevitably result (especially with hundreds davening three times a day, every day). כל המקיים נפש אחת מישראל...כאילו קיים עולם מלא-- סנהדרין לז. Easing the prohibition would be, at the very minimum, a Sa'fek Pi'kuach Nefesh that could endanger participants, and could increase the likelihood of illness and loss of life in our community, chalila vi'chas. And this simply cannot be allowed. At this point in time, this overarching principle is docheh the imperatives of Tefilla B'tzibbur, Aveilim reciting Kaddish, and many other Halachos. We call upon each and every member of our community to adhere to the safeguards that are essential for the protection of us all. Let us do our absolute utmost in following the Torah's mandate of ונשמרתם מאד לנפשותיכם.

Our responsibility to be proactive and vigilant against any possibility of health risk and sakanah extends to far more than just Minyanim. It should be obvious that if we have taken this extraordinary step of temporarily being mi'vatel Tefilla B'Tzibbur in order to save lives, we most certainly must be extra cautious when shopping and engaging in any other activity outside the home. We strongly urge our community to not only adhere scrupulously to all laws and protocols regarding social distancing, but also to exhibit extra zehirus and care to stay within your homes, and to limit any outside social interactions- even while wearing masks- to only that which is extremely important, absolutely necessary, and truly unavoidable. This includes avoiding trips into restaurants and other situations of potential exposure that are not truly essential.

We know that current conditions have been extremely difficult. We truly commiserate and are in constant deliberation how best to make the matzav more bearable. Please take comfort in the fact that, B’Ezras Hashem, your admirable efforts and sacrifices have made a dramatic difference: you have saved, and will IY"H continue to save, countless lives.

Yi'yasher Ko'chachem for all your tremendous concern, patience, and understanding.
!חזק חזק ונתחזק

We will get through this crisis together as a unified community, with abundant Siyata Dishmaya each and every day IY"H. Let us continue to give the Ribbono Shel Olam נחת רוח in carrying out Ratzon Hashem at this time, and merit to emerge from this crisis stronger and better than ever before.

With boundless love, profound care and concern, and sincere admiration for this incredible and special community,

56 Roshei Yeshivos and Rabbanim in the Five Towns/Far Rockaway/Bayswater Community- in alphabetical order:
R' Shalom Axelrod
R' Yaakov Bender
R' Dovid Bender
R' Hershel Billet
R' Yisroel Meir Blumenkrantz
R' Meyer Bodner
R' Simcha Bondi
R' Meir Braunstein
R' Dov Bressler
R' Moshe Brown
R' Pinchas Chatzinoff
R' Shaul Chill
R' Ariel Edelstein
R' Menachem Feifer
R' Aaron Feigenbaum
R' Eytan Feiner
R' Yaakov Feitman
R' Eliezer Feuer
R' Tzvi Flaum
R' Binyamin Forst
R' Aryeh Zev Ginzberg
R' Daniel Glatstein
R' Dr. Aaron Glatt
R' Nosson Greenberg
R' Kenneth Hain
R' Simcha Hopkovitz
R' Yaakov Horowitz
R' Naftali Jaeger
R' Yudi Jeger
R' Muttel Katz
R' Moshe Zev Katzenstein
R' Aryeh Lebowitz
R' Simcha Lefkowitz
R' Yoni Levin
R' Avi Miller
R' Motti Neuburger
R' Uri Orlian
R' Yechiel Yitzchok Perr
R' Ephraim Polakoff
R' Zvi Ralbag
R' Isaac Rice
R' Elysha Sandler
R' Shay Schachter
R' Yehuda Septimus
R' Aaron Stein
R' Asher Stern
R' Mordechai Stern
R' Moshe Teitelbaum
R' Yaakov Trump
R' Shmaryahu Weinberg
R' Moshe Weinberger
R' Pinchus Weinberger
R' Akiva Willig
R' Eliyahu Wolf
R' Zalman Wolowik
R' Mordechai Yaffe
+1MM
We need an option to “love”. “like” is not strong enough.

April 24, 2020, 12:19:36 PM
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Re: Unemployment Help Thank you @cgr for the informative wiki!
April 24, 2020, 01:34:40 PM
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Re: Delta to tlv opening May 8
You haven't answered not one of my points, glad you think chaikel and his boys run the TA industry, as i said you wouldn't risk your end dollar.
I did my due diligence. I did write that line in previous posts, but took it out after they pointed out the ARC ruling. Feel free to discuss with them and if the consensus is that the previous line was correct I'd be happy to add it back.

Out of curiosity, what will you tell your clients when LY files for bankruptcy and the credit card says you waited to long to chargeback?
Sorry that you lost your $$$$$, but I didn't believe the ARC was telling the truth so I didn't tell you that you should dispute or I told you not to dispute?

How many people will still use your services when they realize what a liability it is to use a TA that won't fight for them?

April 26, 2020, 04:49:07 PM
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Re: Delta to tlv opening May 8
So they own the industry? What's with charges that are processed by my own merchant?? You make 0 sense. Again your website do as you like but if anyone would dear post something that hurts your end $$$ even with all 60 terutzim you wouldn't be to happy!! End of the day people should take achrayus and say the truth not keep running away from the facts.

Sorry, I'm with @Dan on this one.

Dan is not actually a TA - he's a journalist, who just happens to have extensive travel industry knowledge. And journalists go by credible sources. So if Dan has a "credible source" - namely, that ARC publicly announces that they won't hold agencies responsible for unfair ADMs by greedy-pig airlines who cancelled flights - and he goes and publishes a story on that basis, then he is 100% in the right. That's his job!

The fact that a seasoned TA with years of experience just might happen to know that ARC is a bunch of airline-hugging sleazeballs who will not keep their word, doesn't magically make Dan expected to have known that. And especially considering that it's not a guaranteed outcome, but just a pessimistic hunch that you have, it's extremely unfair of you to take out your wrath on an innocent journalist doing his job, especially when he's trying to protect his readers. Who, I might add, greatly outnumber the TAs here... so if he has to choose between protecting his readers or protecting you, then "acharei rabim lehatos." There is a greater to'eles in helping many people recoup their money before an airline goes bankrupt and wipes their liability to the pax and/or it gets too late to file a chargeback, than helping a few agents not lose money.

And yes, I'm a TA myself, and yes, I will probably get hit hard if ARC indeed doesn't keep their word. And yet... if I force myself to look at the situation honestly, and in an unbiased fashion, then I have to admit that Dan acted correctly.

April 26, 2020, 05:44:49 PM
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Re: Seeking Partners In Tzedakah Matching Funds Campaign Another partner joined: @Dan:D
Thank you, Dan!

April 27, 2020, 07:43:46 PM
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Re: Delta to tlv opening May 8
At the very least, it’s worth consulting Da’as Torah before doing something that could affect your soul for eternity.

At the very least, it would behoove TAs to be upfront about such risks rather than springing it on the customer after things go south and bringing up eternal damnation

April 27, 2020, 08:54:36 PM
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Re: Tehillim for people with corona virus
Please daven for Malka bas Feiga.
BH home from the hospital!

April 27, 2020, 09:02:11 PM
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition? I think the tuition discussion isn't really about a company, or vendor vs. a consumer.
The discussion points are more along the lines of makkas medina, the chasam sofer/rema, paying a melamed, parent's ownership in the school...
It's not clear if schools are a fee for service or something else.

I don't know much halacha regarding these topics, (the headlines podcast covered some btw) but I am overall pretty shocked:
1) The schools overall took it for granted that tuition should continue to be paid in full
2) The relative lack of clear and public rabbinic guidance here
3) The lack of parents expressing their dissatisfaction 

That being said, parents and schools are usually trying to accomplish a shared goal- educating your child. And when a parent isn't happy, they usually keep quiet as fighting a school is like fighting city hall.

April 28, 2020, 11:24:45 AM
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New Tzedakah Matching Funds Campaign Up To $20,000 - [CAMPAIGN ENDED]
New deal:
An anonymous partner pledged $2100 for a new mini campaign. He will match any donation of at least $100 with 3x the amount. So $700 from you equals $2100.
If $100 is too much for you, ask someone to help you, and share the mitzvah!
(As always, matches are subject to our discretion.)

______

Boruch Hashem, we have reached our goal. Members have contributed $5,000+ in 5 days, and we will match it shortly with $15,000, for a total of $20,000.
I will post when it is done (it takes quite a bit of time ;) ).
Thank you!!!

Contribute to any of the individual family funds here: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115340.0
and we will (collectively) match your contribution 3x, so every ten dollars you contribute becomes FORTY DOLLARS (minimum $10 donation). Up to a maximum of $5,000, which becomes $20,000.
The campaign begins now, and ends next Monday (unless we reach our goal sooner).
In order to get the match, you need to PM me. Please post in the charity thread also, to encourage others to contribute. But do not put it in the wiki; let's reserve that for the actual tzedakah links.
Thanks to my partners, Dan, aygart, 12HRS, and 2x מתן בסתר. And thanks to chapshnell for maintaining the charity page.

Important note:
We will do our best to match accurately, but we cannot guarantee perfection. Ultimately it is left to our discretion and judgement. (If you already donated and do not accept these terms, please PM , and we will work it out to your satisfaction.)

Update:
Many people have already donated, large and small donations, some of whom are not posting on the thread. Keep it up!

Exciting update: Some of our matchers are considering matching even more than their original commitment, so please continue to contribute even after we reach our goal.

Note: Various questions arise re the matching. Therefore, it is all up to to our discretion. We will definitely (bli neder) give what we committed; the only issues that arise are re the exact allocation.

יישר כחכם ותזכו למצות

April 28, 2020, 02:35:20 PM
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Re: Coronavirus Victims Charity Pages
Donated $18 to all the campaigns from (and including) R' Sholom Chaimovitz to R’ Aharon Daniel Malach - 13 campaigns.
I will donate 18 each to 13 campaigns. R' Yerachmiel Beiles to (including both) R' Yitzchok Zylberminc.
There is a catch. I read enough of these stories to last several lifetimes. Someone needs to setup and do it for me. Preferable someone I know. I will QP the money first if need be.
PM me.
ETA: If you have a preference you can choose 13 from the wiki.

April 28, 2020, 05:16:56 PM
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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
This Billet fellow has a real leftist agenda.

First of all, out of the 57 signatories, many are not near the stature of the ones that did not sign. In addition, there were more than four that did not sign, and some that did "sign" say their signature was forged. Some of our greatest local Rabbis are either giving permission for people to have legal backyard minyanim, davening themselves by these minyanim, and some are even hosting them. I will not reveal their names, you can do your own homework. There are more than four.

Besides, this issue is issue is not exclusive to our community. In Brooklyn and Lakewood most Rabonim are permitting minyanim within the health guidelines. The police and government officials have visited many of those minyanim and gave their o.k.. In Eretz Yisroel almost everyone is davening in outdoor minyanim with permission of the government. All these places are following the guidance of their Rabonim. Their Rabonim also speak to medical professionals and decided it was fine. Our local doctors and some Rabbis are alarmists. Go listen to Dr. Glatts speech and you'll hear what an unrealistic alarmist he is. (The truth is, right now there are less people who die from Covid per day than there are who die from the flue during flue season. And in NYC every death now is considered a Covid death whether tested or not. The leftists are trying to keep the numbers high.) The true risk factor also plays a roll in Halacha.

I personally spoke to some of the signatories who told me there was heavy pressure from "the left" to sign. But even if 57 local Rabbis did sign. there are hundreds of very great reputable Rabbis who disagree with them. This is not merely a local issue. For Billet to declare "Those individuals and rabbis who continue to violate these directives... are misguided in their actions and are doing the reverse of what Halacha demands. They see themselves as acting for a greater purpose, but in reality they are selfish and guilty of the sin of hubris. Their blood is not redder than anyone else’s blood. And their desire for a minyan is not greater than our desire for a minyan" is total blasphemy and utter Chutzpah. Many of these Rabbis around the world are greater than he, and these 57 are definitely outnumbered.

The government regulations already take into account extra precautions. To add on to them is ridiculous. It ends up backfiring. Billet is not Chazal, and does not have the right to "add chumrot to protect the integrity of halacha". Especially when most Rabbis in the world disagree with him.

I know people are going to say"Well I know Rabbi so and so, and hes also against minyanim". But the truth is, some of the anti-minyan Rabbis are the vocal ones. The rest are just doing what they feel is the right thing, and telling their followers to do the same. I just got off the phone with a friend from Brooklyn. He told me there are four minyanim on his block, three times a day, all strictly adhering to social distancing rules. He told me that's what it like all over Brooklyn. They are not stupid. They also don't want to get sick. They keep all the rules strictly. And they are all under Rabbinic guidance.

I believe Billet missed the point of the letter writer on YeshivaWorld. His point was that for some reason the so called 57 signatories did not write a lengthy letter against cleaning ladies or shopping or the like. They only wrote about minyanim. At this point in time, shopping in our stores is far more dangerous than davening outside. There seems to be a clear agenda against minyanim. It's not only them. For example, the frum webstites post headlines about Rabbi Meir Stern from Passaic prohibiting minyanim, then post a letter from someone else in Passaic not even quoting Rabbi Stern with regards to the current situation! Fake Headline. They do it all the time.

Why do we have a local Rabbi calling the police and being moiser on another Rabbi who doesn't agree with him? Nothing illegal was being done. This conduct is unheard of! Rabbi Shternbauch just put out a very strong letter against being moser other people to the government. He says mesirah has always been from the worst aveiros a person can do. Probably even worse than davening with a minyan.

I understand there are great Rabbis who feel minyanim are a no-no. But those great Rabbis on not belittling those who disagree with them. They are not going on any campaign.

One of the great leaders in America recently spoke privately to his talmidim and slammed the anti-minyan campaign and called it all a maaseh satan. (The speech was not made public. It was over the phone on a hotline and not recorded. It was intended for his kehilah alone.) Somebody told me he spoke directly to Reb Dovid Feinstein who said if a Rov wants to conduct a legal outdoor minyan, he may do so.

So, stop the campaign! We respected you more before you started writing on websites and pushing your agenda. And btw, I assume the letter on YWN was written anonymously because the writer was afraid of Billet and his henchmen. The same reason many of the 57 signed the letter. Look what happened to some of those who did not sign. They are being ripped to shreds.

Even if you do or do not agree with him it is still Rabbi Billet who learnt under Rav Lichtenshtein. And for all those opposed to his opinion, when the YIW opens back up as a minyan factory that the whole community has come to enjoy, will you still go?  I am sure they all will.

April 29, 2020, 11:36:13 AM
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Re: Delta to tlv opening May 8 Travel Agent vs. OTA

Travel Agent:
 
Pros:

- The travel agent arranges everything for the passenger, from seats to meals to bassinets etc. This might not be such a big deal when booking an airline that has a functioning website (for example United), but when booking an airline without a functioning website (like Elal, Alitalia), it can be a tremendous pain to do a simple thing such as confirming a kosher meal.

- You can ask a travel agent his recommendations on which airline to fly and which ones to avoid. An agent can advise on minimum connection times, as sometimes even when a minimum connection time is valid and will be sold online, it can still be a risky connection to make (for example, 60 minutes in LHR). Some agents can also help with vacation planning and ideas. A travel agent will let you know if the country you’re visiting requires visas or other documents. I have a friend that booked Turkish Airlines online for his trip to South Africa, when he got to the airport he was not able to check in because he didn’t have his child’s birth certificate with him, which South Africa requires. Had he booked with an agent, the agent most likely would have advised him on that (as that law is very clearly written in the GDS)

- If flying with an infant and you want a bassinet, in most cases (varies by airline) a travel agent can confirm a bassinet before you pay for the ticket. If booking online, you’d have to deal with paying for the tickets, calling the airline, and if it’s not available, you’d have to cancel and start the process again. A travel agent can tell you exactly which flights have a bassinet available, confirm the bassinet, and then you can go ahead and pay for it.

- Many people (especially people flying for business) have location changes and meeting cancellations last minute or sometimes even mid-trip. A travel agent can easily change the segments and reissue the tickets. If booking online, you’d have to wait on hold and hope that a rep knows how to reissue partially used tickets.

- The GDS accurately states the baggage allowance, change fee, and cancellation fee for every ticket. You can be aware of all this information before you book and before you have to make a change and have a shock of your life when you’re told the change fee is $500 or more.

- In most cases, a travel agent is the most helpful thing you can have in case of a cancellation. For example, if there's bad weather in the winter, rather than waiting hours on hold to speak to your airline or Priceline to refund or rebook you and then when you finally get through, the rep doesn’t know if the flight was cancelled (more on that soon), you can just make a call/text to your travel agent and be done in 5 minutes. Even in the current Covid-19 situation, early in March before the non-stop flights between TLV and the US were canceled, travel agents were able to re-accommodate all their passengers from LH/LX/OS/SN to UA non-stop. Every travel agent can tell you how many calls they got in those couple of weeks from people who booked online begging for help because wait times were tremendous and the reps were beyond incompetent. I personally had someone who booked LX on United.com and when LX cancelled his flight, he called UA (the issuing airline) to rebook him, the United rep was adamant that the LX flight was still on schedule. When he finally convinced the rep that the flight was cancelled, United wanted to charge him $300 per person for the “difference in fare” from Swiss to United direct.

- Most people are not aware that having a “confirmation” alone is useless until it is “ticketed”. A travel agent will make sure that everyone on the reservation and every segment is ticket properly. It is not uncommon for OTA’s to show phantom availability and even “confirm” the space, but for it to never get ticketed. Showing up to the airport with a reservation like that is just as good as showing up with no reservation at all. I recently had a client that asked me to book him a Royal Jordanian flight. The flight was clearly sold out in the GDS. The client said it shows on an OTA and he’ll just book it there. 3 days go by and he tells me he hasn’t received an email yet and the confirmation number isn’t pulling anything up. I explained to him again what I had explained to him 3 days earlier, that it was phantom space and will never be ticketed.

- Travel agents often have special one way net fares. If you can go online and see that a one way Delta flight JFK-TLV can cost $1500, a travel agent can have nets starting at $500.

- Sometimes you need to be booked into a certain fare class for upgradeable purposes (for example, W class on United). A travel agent can book you into that fare class specifically as opposed to OTAs which will automatically book you into the lowest fare class available.

Cons:

- If you want to have the airline do a change, some airlines (such as United) will charge a small fee to “take control of the ticket” and some airlines (such as Elal) will not even touch or change an agency booking.

- In case of emergencies, not all travel agencies are available 24/7. Most airlines/OTAs have 24/7 customer service.

- Travel agents will usually add a service fee on top of the cost of the ticket, especially if it is a ticket that has no commissions.

- Disputes: As a general rule (there are exceptions which will be discussed), travel agents process your card directly with the airline through their GDS (thus earning 5x when booked with Amex Plat), not through their own merchant processor. When a passenger disputes an agency ticket, the passenger always wins and the agent has to pay for the cost of the ticket plus a small fee, thus causing the agent a loss. If he had booked online and disputed, he would only be causing the OTA/Airline a loss.
Let’s say you booked online and missed your flight. You want to dispute the charge, the chances are you will lose the dispute as it was your negligence you missed your flight. Now that you booked with an agent, would it be fair to dispute, win, get your money back and cause the agent a loss?
Let’s take a different scenario, one that is more relevant today during Covid-19. Airlines have practically cancelled every international flight and most domestic flights. Almost all airlines that fly to/from the USA are allowing refunds for cancelled flights, Elal is not. This situation, where an airline is refusing refunds for a cancelled flight is something that is unprecedented. As per the DOT, the passenger is rightfully owed a refund for his cancelled flight. If he would have booked online, he’d win the dispute and get his money back. Now that he’s booked with an agent, he is any less rightfully and legally owed a refund, should he not dispute the charge because it might cause the agent a loss? I would think he has all the right to dispute and I am even telling my clients who want their money back today to go ahead and dispute. I personally am not terribly afraid of clients disputing tickets now (where the flight is cancelled). They are owed a refund and we can’t provide it for them. Why should they lose out when they are legally owed a refund? If an airline will dare penalize agents for a flight that was cancelled, they will face a massive lawsuit. Besides, I highly doubt the DOT wouldn't protect the agents for something like that.

In summary, if he would have booked online and won, I think he has the right to dispute even when it might come at a loss to the agent. But if he would have booked online and lost, I don’t think it’s fair to dispute and make the agent eat the loss. So the next time your kosher meal tastes like cat food instead of the pre-ordered dog flavored one, please don’t dispute the charge.

There are some, but not many, travel agents who will pay for the ticket either on their own credit card or by “check payment” or with points, and then process the passenger’s credit card on their own processor. Since the charge is through a regular merchant processor, the dispute process is more legitimate. The agent will be allowed to provide documents proving the charge is legit and win the dispute. However, unless the agent has each passenger sign an authorization form, it will be very difficult for the agent to win the dispute and the passenger will come out ahead, just as I described earlier when the passenger’s credit card is charged directly with the airline via the agency.
One big difference with this scenario than the above is, in a case where the dispute is for a “legitimate” cause, for example the flight was cancelled and the airline is refusing to refund, if the agent paid for the ticket through a “check payment” or points, he will not be able to dispute his credit card charge in return and the loss will come out of his pocket. But is the passenger wrong for disputing when he is legally owed a refund? Is the passenger up the creek without a paddle because the agent decided to book him in this way thus causing him a loss with no one to turn to? I think not, but you can decide…


OTAs

Pros:

- No extra service fees

- No extra fees (besides standard change fess) if you need to make changes with the airline directly.

- 24/7 customer service

- A dispute, if you win, will not cause direct harm to another person’s pocket.

- It’s easy to quickly book with an OTA during a price glitch.

Cons:

- You might not get the seat(s) you want, the meal you want or a bassinet for your infant.

- Last minute changes, especially mid-trip can be extremely difficult.

- Many OTAs don’t offer child discounts.

- Many OTAs, especially the ones selling tickets lower than the published fare, will say “baggage allowance zero”, when in reality it is not true. They do this in order to make money on selling you a bag. Or “2nd bag fee $150” when in reality it really cost less. They do this in order to make money off selling you extras to equal out the loss they took to sell you the ticket. Sometimes they will charge you change fees that are way above the actual change fee. This is how many “fly by night OTAs” make their profits.

- You might show up to the airport with a “confirmation” only to be told it’s useless because it was not ticketed.

- I do not believe any OTAs or even airlines directly have one way nets.




P.S. Please do not turn this thread into a "Welcome back D93" thread. This thread has already underwent a drastic topic change, no need for another one :)

April 29, 2020, 03:56:23 PM
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Re: Areivim USA - Coronavirus
Hi, this may be your opinion but my opinion is that I am willing to pay a max of $28 a month for orphans while in the back of my mind know god forbid if something happens my family is "extra" covered.
your so called "clueless" chapshnell  ::)

You’re not clueless, but I bet 50% of Arevim members are uninsured. Pulled the number out of my..., but my guess is as good as yours, and it’s definitely not 100%.

May 01, 2020, 09:53:14 AM
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Re: Things to read Shabbos on lockdown
Divrei Torah that I've uploaded for Acharei Mos - Kedoshim.

Have a good shabbos!
Thanks!!
Thank you so much! Please don't burn out of doing this - I say over stuff from it every week at my Shabbos seuda! (Always Rabbi Reisman, and usually also a few others, like Business Halacha and more.)

May 01, 2020, 10:55:55 AM
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Re: Areivim USA - Coronavirus
Note the "partially".

Yes they collected tzedaka from Areivim members for the family. That is a life insurance policy just as effective as parlor meetings.
Correct. So these people were NOT properly insured, and relied on Areivim. I strongly believe there are many who rely on Areivim for life insurance, and they will drop out if the price rises, causing it to fall apart. I’m speaking anecdotally from asking around. “Do you have life insurance?” “Not yet, I really should get. I do have Areivim though..”

My point has been that raising the price in a mandatory fashion will destroy the organization

May 01, 2020, 01:08:57 PM
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Re: Bill D’Blasio Warns "The Jewish Community"
No but understand the reason. Are you comparing how African Americans are treated by police with how Jews are treated by the police?
*how Jews are being treated by police now in NYC? Yes

May 01, 2020, 01:35:11 PM
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Re: Bill D’Blasio Warns "The Jewish Community"
Not if they feel they are hotspots.
Hotspot as having problems. I understand what everyone is saying. I am just saying they are covered on this one.

Just imagine that he had sent out a tweet warning "the black community and all communities" then the next day the police were sent out in force to "hotspots" but only the ones that just happened to all be majority black.

May 01, 2020, 04:15:00 PM
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Re: Areivim USA - Coronavirus
I was referring to single members with no kids yet or older members who have married off all their kids. If they are the tzedaka they market themselves as and not LI, they should have significant membership from both demographics.

Somehow I’m skeptical. Without any transparency we’ll never know.

May 03, 2020, 07:09:34 AM
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Re: New Tzedakah Matching Funds Campaign Up To $20,000 - Now Live Boruch Hashem, we have reached our goal. Members have contributed $5,000+ in 5 days, and we will match it shortly with $15,000, for a total of $20,000.
I will post when it is done (it takes quite a bit of time ;) ).
Thank you!!!

May 03, 2020, 05:57:22 PM
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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
I see it worked. You are scared.

First of all, the entire social distancing thing is not proven to help at all. Many experts believe it actually harms the situation.

Second of all, in NYS all deaths are considered Covid deaths now, even without being tested for Covid. They do this in order to keep the numbers high. In addition, if during flue season they would run around testing people to see if they are asymptomatic to the flue, we would have an even higher number of flue patients and even deaths.

Our numbers are down now. When Cuomo says we have 290 deaths, he means that's how many people died that day in NYS. He does not tell us how many people die on a regular fie before this plague or during the flue season.. There are also many deaths in nursing homes daily. Those deaths are greatly due to Cuomo's executive order sending elderly Covid patients to the homes instead of the hospital. He sent them to a facility where everyone  there was supsestable to the worst.

At this point, at least 85% of NY was exposed. There is very little danger davening with a minyan or walking withut a mask. It's mainly media and democratic hype.
You’re completely off your rocker. I was following this conversation without knowing the internal community politics and I thought you sounded somewhat ignorant.. and then this.

Are you nuts?! Are you seriously still spewing this stuff? How many Rabbanim, doctors, friends, and relatives do you need to lose before you WAKE UP?!

If it walks like a nut, and talks like a nut, your opinion just doesn’t count at all. I wouldn’t care ordinarily but you’re endangering other people. I see why that Rav called the police. YOU. ARE. NUTS.

May 04, 2020, 08:02:14 AM
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Re: saw50st8 Louisiana and Missisippi TR @saw50st8  Your TRs are some of my favorites, as they're most like trips I'd take.  Any chance you can continue?
May 04, 2020, 08:42:08 AM
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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
Almost everything you said cN be said back to you from the other side. Including, they would say, that you are endangering people's lives by banning minyanim and albeit not their fault closing Yeshivas. There is a G-d factor which should take a roll here too. Without Him this won't stop. If it can be done in a safe way, one real good Amen Yehei Shmei Ramah is more powerful than all the medical intervention.

You are proving my point. One side understands there are two side, and take a position. But some on the other side have an agenda and therefor cannot even hear there is an argument here.
No, you literally aren’t. I davened Shacharis with a minyan today for the first time in months after consultation with a Rav and doctor in a safe manner on my property with us and a neighbor, and I don’t live in 5T. I fully understand and appreciate daas Torah deciding to permit some Minyanim AFTER becoming informed of the facts on the ground and consulting with medical experts. I have nothing to do with your politics or the Rabbanim in your city.

All that said, you are spewing such dangerous garbage that you need to be called out. I get it, you’re ignorant of the facts. But you DON’T get to have an opinion if you don’t do the research first.

How can you have the audacity to refer to this as anything remotely similar to the flu? Have you completely lost your way in life? How often do this many people you know and love die in one fell swoop? You think the media killed them? The “more modern” Rabbanim? Who exactly do you blame for their deaths? You know who it was? YOU and your actions.

Hashem does not want your Tefilllos betzibur if you are endangering other people. Your Amein Yehei Shmei Rabbah is a mitzvah habah be’aveira, and is WORSE than staying silent, should you be needlessly placing LIVES in danger. Don’t pretend to have God on your side, as if this is some grand debate between good and evil. Believe me, EVERY Rav who assured Minyan believes they are doing the right thing as far as Yiddishkeit is concerned (and they’re probably right). That doesn’t mean it’s not up for debate whether minyanim can occur in a safe manner, without endangering people. I’m not the Posek Acharon. It doesn’t matter who’s right or wrong. What matters is that you’re too thick to understand the consequences of your actions and words, and are recklessly disregarding an obvious and overwhelming danger.

May 04, 2020, 09:39:39 AM
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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
Almost everything you said cN be said back to you from the other side. Including, they would say, that you are endangering people's lives by banning minyanim and albeit not their fault closing Yeshivas. There is a G-d factor which should take a roll here too. Without Him this won't stop. If it can be done in a safe way, one real good Amen Yehei Shmei Ramah is more powerful than all the medical intervention.

You are proving my point. One side understands there are two side, and take a position. But some on the other side have an agenda and therefor cannot even hear there is an argument here.

My friend you have a lot of issues but the gaivah one is particularly appalling. You have a greater appreciation of the power of amain yehia shmai rabbah than Rabbi Finer, Rabbi Brown, Rabbi Forst, Rabbi Perr, Rabbi Jeager, Rabbi Stern, etc. (I won’t mention any of the YU trained Rabbinim who most certainly do not come close to your stature).

May 04, 2020, 10:31:00 AM
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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
It's not unanimous. Do your homework. In Daas Torah there is a machlokes. Most disagree with you, but you do have some great people to rely on.
There is NO MACHLOKES as to the danger, nor is there room for such. If anyone tells you otherwise, lock them in a room alone and throw away the key. There is only debate as to the proper method of dealing with it.

May 04, 2020, 10:34:58 AM
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Re: New Tzedakah Matching Funds Campaign Up To $20,000 - Now Live
I will post when it is done (it takes quite a bit of time ;) ).
Done.

May 04, 2020, 12:05:10 PM
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