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The City of Brotherly Love - dpk4588 Takes on Philadelphia Intro
I had planned on going to Philly for a few days last year but it fell through so when my sister who lives outside of Philly told me to come for Shabbos, it presented a chance to follow through on that planned trip. It was also good timing because I had an Chase IHG night to burn which was expiring soon.

Since Kimpton Hotels are now bookable with the Chase IHG free night I figured I’d try the Kimpton Hotel Monaco Philadelphia. I don’t remember what the cash rate was but it costs 55k IHG for one night, so I’d say the $49 I spend on the annual fee for the card was well worth it. When I checked in, I found out that as an IHG elite member I get a free $30 spa credit (which I didn’t use), and a free $10 raid the bar credit which can be used either at the hotel bar or for the mini bar.

The planning for the trip had basically already been done, since it was supposed to happen a year earlier, but I did make a few small tweaks to the plan which didn’t work out as well as planned. The funny thing was that the one real change I made to my plan was to add a museum which I didn’t end getting to go to.

The only detail I had yet to work out (and wouldn’t end up doing until the last minute) was whether I’d drive into the city and pay the $50 at the hotel for parking, or leave my car by my sister and use uber/public transportation to get around. I ended up driving downtown and regretting it. My rationale was that Ubers to and from the few attractions I was planning on that weren’t in the center of town (near the hotel), would cost close to the $50 parking fee and having the card downtown gave me the option to go out for dinner. What I didn’t factor in was the cost of tolls & parking. While the Ubers themselves would have cost ~$45-50 I crossed the Ben Franklin Bridge twice ($5 each time) and had to pay for parking at 2 of the attractions I went to, which cost another ~$15. So my actual cost of driving downtown was ~$75.

As per a suggestion I saw in the Philadelphia Master Thread, I looked at the Philadelphia Pass, and saw that everything I was planning on doing (that wasn’t free) was on there. I could have bought the 2-day pass for $84 but once I totaled all the things I planned on doing and took into account the 20% discount you get for adding 2 or more attractions to your pass, I was saving $1.24 by going with the build your own.

I left my sister’s place around 10a getting downtown around 1030a. My first stop was the hotel for two reasons. One I always like to check-in early, to drop off my stuff, and to be able to go back and relax during the day if I feel like I need it, secondly, to be able to park my car. Everything I planned on doing Sunday was within a 10 minute walk of the hotel, so there was no need for my car. Thankfully I was able to check in and drop off my stuff. I didn’t remember if you needed to pay for Independence Hall and on the website, I saw that you need a specifically timed ticket which can either be reserved online for $1.50, or picked up at the visitors center a few blocks away. I didn’t think it would be a problem going to the visitors center to get a ticket, but my the time I got there at 10:45, the next available tour wasn’t until 12:40p. That was in theory going to cause some problems for my schedule but it ended up working out well.

Hotel Monaco-Bed

Hotel Monaco-TV & Desk

Hotel Monaco-Bathroom

I went from the visitors center to the Liberty Bell. They have a few exhibits and a short video about the history of the Liberty Bell. Then you see the bell. No I did not lick it. I didn’t watch the video, and spent a total of about 15 minutes there after getting past security which took about 15 minutes itself.

Liberty Bell-Glass Plate

Liberty Bell-Chrome Plated Brass Bread Tray

Liberty Bell-Bell with Freedom In Several Languages

Liberty Bell-The Bell

I had some time to kill since I didn’t need to be at Independence Hall until 12:20p for the security check. In reality I didn’t need to to get there until 12:35 because I flew through security (even without the help of TSA-Pre-Check). In addition to the Independence Hall tour, on Independence square, you can also see the Great Essentials Exhibit in the West Wing and the Museum of the American Philosophical Society. The tour of Independence Hall itself was interesting and started with a brief history, then you enter the two main rooms. The first room you see is the Courtroom of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, and the second room is the Assembly Room, where The Declaration of Independence was written and signed and the Continental Congress met, wrote, and signed the Constitution. Pretty important historical stuff.

American Philosophical Society-Franklin’s Library Chair with Folding Steps

Independence Hall-Courtroom of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court

Independence Hall-Assembly Room

From Independence Hall I went on to the National Constitution Center. It was about a 5 minute walk but just my luck, that’s when the rain picked up. I made it through the rain alive and it was time for the museum.

I remember the museum being much bigger (then again most museums I went to as a kid seemed bigger than they actually are). It starts off with a ~20 show with images/videos and live narration, called “Freedom Rising” about the history of the Constitution. Which was a kinda interesting, but I honestly didn’t feel like having the live narration of a woman who was walking around the theater added anything.

After the main exhibit on the second floor, I checked out the Signers' Hall which has statues of the signers of the Constitution. There was also a small exhibit on Alexander Hamilton on the first floor. I’ve heard people say great things about the museum, and I remember my family liking it when we went years ago, but I honestly found the museum to be a bit disappointing.

National Constitution Center-Hamilton-Burr Dueling Pistols

National Constitution Center-Dueling Steps

Once I was done with the National Constitution Center I walked over to National Museum of American Jewish History. Originally I had planned on doing this before the Constitution Center, but I realized that the Jewish History Museum was open until 530p, which would give me an extra half hour (which I’d need). They recommend you start on the top (5th) floor and work your way down, so that’s what I did. The top floor has the special exhibits, which at the time was one on Leonard Bernstein who was born and raised in Philly. It was an interesting exhibit about his life in Philly, his career, and his connection to Israel.

Floors 4-2 go chronologically. The floors went as follows: 4th floor-Foundations of Freedom: 1654-1880, 3rd floor-Dreams of Freedom: 1880-1945, 2nd floor-Choices and Challenges of Freedom: 1945-Today. The first floor has a separate exhibit called the Only in America Gallery, which focuses on the stories of 18 American Jews and their impacts on Jewish American life overall.  I thought the museum was well done and had a wealth of information and artifacts. So much so, that I didn’t have time to see everything in my 2 hours there.

National Museum of American Jewish History - Leonard Bernstein Exhibit-Score for Gustav Mahler’s Symphony No. 2 in C Minor

National Museum of American Jewish History - Leonard Bernstein Exhibit-Ticket for Israel 20th Anniversary Concert with Itzhak Perlman

National Museum of American Jewish History - Leonard Bernstein Exhibit-Program for Memorial Concert for Leonard Bernstein 11.14.1990

National Museum of American Jewish History-Ahron Lintel - Lancaster, PA

National Museum of American Jewish History-South Carolina Currency with Hebrew Letters

National Museum of American Jewish History-Acrostic Commemorating Abraham Lincoln

National Museum of American Jewish History-Yiddish Baseball Diagram

Once I was done (and by done, I mean I had to leave because the museum was closing), I went back to my hotel to relax a little before heading out for dinner.

After consulting with a few people, I decided on Cherry Grill for dinner. One would think with “Grill” in the name, that it would be a grill with burgers and that type of food, but no, it’s really a Chinese place that also serves grill food. Anyway, the I got pepper steak and it was a pretty good and a nice size portion. My only complaint was the service, while I was seated quickly, it took a while before someone came back to take my order and then a while for me to get a waiter to get me my check. I went back to my hotel and watched hockey.

Cherry Grill-Pepper Steak

I started off with a short walk to the US Mint. Unfortunately they don’t allow pictures (understandably), but it is interesting to see the history of coin production and the process itself. Between the exhibits on the history and walking through (above) the production facility, I was there about 45 minutes.

Here is where I made a mistake. I then planned on going to the Independence Seaport Museum which would require me to pick up my car from the hotel. The problem with this, which I realized later, was that I was planning on going to the Museum of the American Revolution which was down the block from my hotel. It kinda worked out because at the end of the day I didn’t have time for the Museum of the American Revolution anyway. So I picked up my car and was off to the Independence Seaport Museum. The museum doesn’t have its own parking but there are two public lots right there, both of which were super expensive ($25-$30, I think) so I parked on the street a few blocks down and paid a meter ~$3 for the two hours. I think I got the better deal.

I found the museum itself more child friendly than I would have liked, but what I did enjoy were the ships, that are part of the museum. With admission to the museum, you also get to see the USS Olympia & USS Becuna. The Olympia is the oldest steel warship afloat in the world, which is pretty cool. The USS Becuna is a Balao-Class Sub which saw action in WWII, and served several missions during the Cold War.

Independence Seaport Museum-Boat Shop

Independence Seaport Museum-Christening Bottle - USS Philadelphia

Independence Seaport Museum - USS Becuna-Forward Torpedo Room

Independence Seaport Museum - USS Olympia-Junior Officers’ Wardroom

Independence Seaport Museum - USS Olympia-5”40 Breech-Loading Rifle

I got back to my car and headed for the Battleship New Jersey, which is in Camden, NJ just over the Franklin Bridge. Launched exactly a year after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Battleship New Jersey saw action in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. The New Jersey is US Navy’s most decorated battleship and surviving warship having received 19 Battle and Campaign starts. The coolest part about the ship, is that you can go inside the rear turret which is something I’ve never seen on another ship.

Battleship New Jersey

Battleship New Jersey-M-2 Browning Gun

Battleship New Jersey-Captains’ In-Port Cabin

Battleship New Jersey-Glass Recreation of Christening Bottle

Battleship New Jersey-View of Franklin Bridge from Ship & Flag Conning Station

Battleship New Jersey-Close-In Weapons System (CIWS)

Battleship New Jersey-Tomahawk Cruise Missile

Battleship New Jersey-Inside Turret #3

Battleship New Jersey-Inside Turret #3

After leaving the New Jersey I headed for Eastern State Penitentiary, the country’s oldest penitentiary. I actually went to Eastern State in the late 90s with my family, and at the time, the building was unsafe and visitors had to wear hard hats and sign liability waivers. Things have changed, and now the building is secure. While there are guided tours daily at 2p, I missed that and had to settle with the audio tour. Online it says the audio tour takes about 35 minutes so I figured I’d leave myself an hour for extra exploring of the site, what they don’t tell you, is that the 35 minutes is for the basic audio tour, but there are a number of other “optional” stops and recordings you can listen to for a more in depth tour. I spent a little over 2 hours there (until they closed at 5p) an still didn’t get to listen to all the recordings and see all the “extra” parts.

Two special sections that I saw that I found especially interesting were the Shul, and Al Capone’s cell. The shul, which is assumed to be the first in an American prison, was created in 1924 and was used continuously until the prison closed in 1971. It was actually the first space in the prison fully restored to its 1959 appearance which was seen from photograph from the time. In addition to the shul itself, they have a space behind it which was turned into an exhibit on Jewish life overall in the prison. While Al Capone only spent 8 months at Eastern State, he certainly made his space his own, filling his cell with fancy furniture, rugs, paintings, and a radio. They actually have an update to the recording on his cell, that explains that further research has led historians to believe that some of these “added comforts” may not have been special to Capone, and that other inmates may have also had radios and other comforts.

Eastern State Penitentiary-Cell Block 1

Eastern State Penitentiary-Cell Doors

Eastern State Penitentiary-Inside Cell

Eastern State Penitentiary-Recreated Cell

Eastern State Penitentiary-Upper Level of Cell Block 7

Eastern State Penitentiary-Solitary Exercise Yard

Eastern State Penitentiary - Synagogue-Aron

Eastern State Penitentiary-Al Capone’s Cell

Eastern State Penitentiary-Main Entrance Gate

While I realized I wouldn’t get to see the Museum of the American Revolution, I enjoyed what I did and don’t feel regret for having missed it, only that I paid for it. After Eastern State, I went back to pick up my sister and we went to Espresso Cafe & Sushi Bar for dinner.  I don’t know if it was the fact that it was 530p or that it was a Monday night in an out of town restaurant, but we were the only ones there. The food was good, but the service was a little slow, but not unbearable.

Espresso Cafe & Sushi Bar-Penne Alla Vodka

Overall I really enjoy my little trip. It was nice to have a little getaway and to experience as an adult all these places I had experienced as a child.

May 28, 2018, 09:06:52 PM
Re: A Once-In-A-Lifetime Kosher Catered Trip To Antarctica! FOMO support group
I need someone to start a Kickstarter to pay for me.
Go fund me. Help a poor man in need of a trip to Antarctica fulfill his dream. Day in and day out I fall deeper into depression knowing I will not visit, but an opportunity has arose. I need YOU to help me get there. What will you give? Contributions can be tax deductible if you don't follow tax law, and maaser can be used for all donations if you are not Jewish.

July 18, 2018, 07:25:13 PM
Quick Family Trip on a Dime (no pics) Disclaimer: this no-frills Trip Report is being written in one sitting with the express purpose to help out those looking for ideas on where to go and what to do with kids in tristate area that doesnt break the bank. Nothing fancy to see here so if you're not searching in this category, i'm sure the Maldives thread has something to offer...
Was looking for someplace to go away with the gang. Our needs were:
  • inexpensive
  • within two hour drive of monsey
  • minyan
  • entertainment for ages 2-12
After discarding several options we decided on Diggerland as the main attraction, and therefore just searched for closest Hyatt House which is where we usually go with the clan.
     Hyatt House Mt. Laurel had availability for my nights for a trio suite but not for points so i made a cash booking and later found agent to switch it to a points booking @ 8000 points a night, but at a minimum of three nights, so that's what i took. A trio suite gave us two closed bedrooms, each with its own bathroom. One bedroom has two double beds, with the other a king bed. The walk in closet was more than sufficient for a crib, and the pull out couch slept two comfortably so that we were all quite comfortable.
     I found tickets for Diggerland on Groupon for 29.95 for those 42" and above which is way cheaper than Diggerland's direct price. 36"-42" was same price as Diggerland, so didnt bother buying through them. 36" and below is free.
     As far as minyan, there are several options just several minutes away in Cherry Hill. We chose Sons of Israel since they had the latest minyan shachris at 8:00.  12 min from hotel
The trip from Monsey took just over two hours, and we quickly settled in for the night so that we could have an early start the next day since Diggerland's hours are 10-6.
After quick 15 minute ride we ended up arriving closer to one and were afraid we would be missing out, but as the weather peaked at about 94 degrees, the park was almost empty and we had just the right amount of time to spend there. Diggerland is awesome! Every kid had a grand time, according to his age and skill. There's something for everyone. It is a construction themed park, so that every ride consists of some tractor or truck retrofitted to suit the needs of the ride. There are tractors to ride and tractors to dig with and tractors to look at... you get the idea but there was truly plenty of variety to keep the kids going despite the weather. There's also a rock climbing wall and a ropes course in addition to a toddler play area. The only separate fee in the park is for the Soaring Eagle Zipling @ $6 a kid, and a gem mining station @ $6 a bag of gems. Officially there is no outside food allowed, but they had no issue with our bulging bags beneath the stroller, so we had plenty to eat just bought drinks every few minutes (3.75 for a coke bottle or 2.95 for a water) The Icee in the park is certified o-u so we tried cooling off with those. They also have misting fans in several areas, but they hardly accomplished much in this heat.
We left at six, got to hotel, ate dinner which was put up in crockpot in morn, played some games and called it a night.
The next morning we woke up to same weather and really wanted to do something water related but couldn't find anything within an hour's drive.
We decided on Johnson's Corner Farm (15 min from hotel) which is an amazing place with u-pick fruits and veggies, playground with splash pad, and animal farm. What we didn't realize is that when they advertise hayrides from 10-1 it means that after 1 there is no way to go picking since you need the hayride to get you out there. In any case we had a fabulous time and spent 3 hours there. There is a playground with very creative play equipment like spider web, huge Connect 4 playing boards, checkers tables, pretend areas, go karts, and the absolute best part which were the splash pads. In the sweltering heat the kids just kept converging there. There's the pail area which literally gets you a bucket of water on your head, some overhead sprinklers, inground sprinklers and the like. The entire play area is not that large it is just truly beautiful with tons of comfortable shaded seating, very clean and plenty of variety. The animal farm was not a petting zoo as we had hoped, but was fun nevertheless. There are sheep, goats, chickens, ducks, donkeys and cows. They provide corn with which to feed them, which you drop in to tubes and they come nibble.  Again, kids had awesome time with that. There's also a farmer's market on premises selling their produce as well as trinkets and the like. Admission was $9 a kid and $4.50 for those 13+. If you pay for hayride (i think 4.50) you get half price admission to the playground and animal farm. After 5 it's only 3 per kid, 1.50 per 13+. Wednesday evenings 5-9 feature free hayrides, pay what you pick.
From there we wanted to go to Laurel Acres Park for a grill, but upon arrival realized that there was some community event going on so we just left. We found Strawbridge Park down the road which suit us perfectly and was completely empty. There is a playground there that occupied the kids while we got the portable grill going. We also brought along a large kite for the bigger ones, and the large open field proved perfect for it.
Upon arrival back at the hotel, we realized that the pool was just about to close, and as we hadnt had a chance to use it yet since it was always full, decided to give it a try. Sure enough, just as we got there, there was some lightning and the pool miraculously cleared for us! We had a grand time, especially given that they came to close the pool half an hour after designated closing time.
All in all, this was a low key, totally kid friendly, tznius-sensitive, low-cost trip which created the family memories which will keep us smiling for a while.
Other kid-friendly options to do in the area (within half hour drive):
Adventure Aquarium (29.95 an adult includes one kid free)
Garden Discovery Museum ($5 admission after 5pm)
Philadelphia Mint (self-guided tour free)
Franklin Institute
Please Touch Museum
Independence Seaport Museum
(bunch of other Philadelphia museums, these are just the ones i looked in to)
Thanks for reading, and good luck with planning your own family trip!

August 08, 2018, 01:18:37 AM
Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit. Friends don't let friends go on Theyeshivaworld.
January 10, 2019, 10:30:48 AM
Re: Free 72hr access codes to NY Times (unlimited amount of times) I would not patronize that site if THEY paid me.

Such son'ei yisrael, I would not want to give their advertisers any reason to pay them for click traffic on their site.

March 22, 2019, 03:23:42 PM
You can get Charles Tyrwhitt shirts for $26-$28 and a free tie shipped.

Works on all styles and colors.

Offer expires on the 31st of March ,so order while you can, perfect timing for Yom tov!

You can buy from the UK site a shirt and a free tie shipped for $26-$28 the more you buy the cheaper it is.

Remember you need to be on the UK site, on the very bottom of the webpage you will find an option to change to British pounds.

It's going to pull you back to the US site, make sure you're on the UK site and then re click the link which will pull you to the deal for 19.95 pounds and a tie plus you pay for shipping 13.95 so the more shirts you order the cheaper the shirts will come out as the shipping will be distributed among the shirts.

Website should look like this...

Remember to get yourself a free tie which they offer..

  And of course don't forget to hit that like button.

March 27, 2019, 02:16:35 AM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
October 28, 2019, 01:08:27 PM
Re: Pricing tactic for business travelers
Coupons yoichiach
Another option in the running for my new signature

October 31, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
November 04, 2019, 10:25:38 AM
Re: New Coin Deal
Being a follower and not a leader is not how great companies are made. They have no choice to match unless they want to be left in others dust.
I'm happy to keep buying for @pfscoins even at $200 vs. $250.
Loyalty is a 2 way street and PFS has showed that to me time and time again.

November 07, 2019, 12:26:38 PM
Re: New Coin Deal So are people that committed to PFS and then backed out and presold on eBay for $500 now going to back out on that and sell for $1,000?
November 20, 2019, 01:36:38 PM
Re: New Coin Deal
Would be interesting to hear what this Dayan suggests that the buyer do next time in order to make the transaction hallachically binding. They can always wait until the buyer has the coin in hand, but then he's just buying it on the open marker. Maybe if the offer is for the coin, plus an small token item that most sellers already have in-hand (a quarter, napkin, writing utensil, etc...)
If they would give some money in advance I think that would bind with Mi Shepara.

November 21, 2019, 01:27:48 PM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
November 24, 2019, 11:48:26 AM
Re: investments for children Wow. So many uninformed and outright wrong posts in this thread.

Advice #1, an anonymous online forum isn't the place to go for this.

From experience I can tell you that I put away money (at birth and monthly thereafter) in a top performing Mutual Fund when my oldest daughter was born, by the time she was 18 I needed to pull it out of there for a variety of reasons (qualifying for FAFSA being one of them) and I would have most definitely done better had I just put the money to grow at interest with no risk of loss.

I put money into Juvenile policies, but NOT for the purpose of saving money for the children (with the exception of the Allstate glitch from a few years ago).

December 06, 2019, 01:30:27 PM
Re: Corny Jokes & Bad Puns Thread

Some might be offended being quoted in this thread, but for better or for worse, I say pun zu letovah

January 01, 2020, 12:25:25 PM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
January 13, 2020, 04:48:19 PM
Shun Classic 9” Bread Knife-$82
February 06, 2020, 02:32:01 PM
Re: US Politics/2020 Election Pick Your Poison Master Thread
She just keeps twisting the knife.

“He is impeached forever, no matter what he says or the headlines he wanted to carry around,” Mrs. Pelosi said in remarks to reporters on Thursday. She added that Mr. Trump was “never getting rid of that scar.”
Sounds like she cares more about the scar  than the country.

February 06, 2020, 09:03:42 PM
Re: Best Kosher Chinese food in the world!

Elizabeth Chinese... Gross stuff lol

New kosher special is great but the ambiance, if one can call it that, is probably what a physical manifestation of the Coronavirus would look like.

The Kosher Wok near Boston takes the cake wonton for the best Chinese, by a mile.

February 10, 2020, 05:19:47 PM
Re: Stocks
I would like to see your hands. How many cuts do you have trying to catch a fallen knife?

Too many scars to count here.

March 16, 2020, 10:18:54 AM
Re: When is this all expected to be over?
For you @CountValentine

It is said, “For this, let every pious man pray to You in the time of finding, that the overflowing waters may not reach him” (Psalms 32:6). With regard to the phrase, the time of finding, Rabbi Ḥanina said: The time of finding refers to the time one must find a wife, that one should pray to find a suitable woman to marry. As it is said: “He who finds [matza] a wife finds [matza] good and obtains favor from the Lord” (Proverbs 18:22). In Eretz Yisrael, the custom was that when a man married a woman, they would ask him: Matza or motzeh? In other words, they would ask the groom whether the appropriate passage for his wife is the above verse from Proverbs that begins with the word matza, as it is written: “He who finds a wife finds good and obtains favor from the Lord” or whether the more appropriate verse is the one beginning with the word motzeh, as it is written: “And I find [motzeh] the woman more bitter than death” (Ecclesiastes 7:26).

I'm assuming that CV is the pomin chadoshes at this here sheva brochos?

March 16, 2020, 04:44:39 PM
Master List of limited time opportunities created by the COVID-19 crisis I've already posted about NYS opening a special open enrollment period to sign up for Health Insurance in the individual marketplace.

Also eligibility for Medicaid, Essential Plan and Child Health Plus now use updated Federal Poverty Levels.

Some life insurance companies are underwriting up to certain amounts and ages WITHOUT A PHYSICAL EXAM. That doesn't mean that someone who has health issues gets better treatment, as they will use other background checks, but for those that fear or just dislike an exam this is a great opportunity.

I am able to help people with health and life insurance opportunities created.

Please post other opportunities you are aware of.

March 22, 2020, 02:42:43 PM
Re: Please Sign My Petition :) I think @jj1000 should give everyone 100 likes. 200 if they are married and 50 for every extra child.
March 25, 2020, 10:36:09 AM
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
This is the answer. They just want to get the money out there already.
Just drop it from helicopters.  :)

March 26, 2020, 10:17:33 AM
Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
is it a credit against 2020 tax return?
If tax filers did not make 75k/150k last year but make more than 75k/150K in 2020 will they be required to return the cash next year?
Not the way I read it. You keep the cash.

March 26, 2020, 11:08:48 AM
Re: Life insurances waiving medical exam requirements
wow, so a young diabetic, smoker, or obese person, can hop on now?
A young diabetic is probably on medications. They will go to the medical records and likely find out everything else.

The lack of physical doesn’t mean that the underwriting decisions change, it just means different tools are used. You are expected to answer questions truthfully.

March 27, 2020, 02:51:19 PM
Re: When is this country going to be back to normal?
We will defeat it. It should give us new perspective.

Look at what it has already given us on a communal level.

This is from a list a friend posted on FB.
No need for lavish over the top weddings and simchos.
Endless and unnecessary shopping.
Rethink the need for Pesach Programs.
Rethink the need for over the top fine dining.
Seminary/Yeshiva in Israel.

I for one am looking forward to being able to marry off my kids at a way lower standard than I could have ever dreamed of.

I think it will change the way this country does business with and relies on foreign supply chains. It will awake the country to the dangers of diseases that we were never open to accepting. Almost everyone that I spoke to 3 weeks ago laughed it off. That has changed drastically and will live on in peoples psyche for a long time.
I don't see any of those things being long-term changes.

March 31, 2020, 11:30:06 AM
Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Where's the post about the Nobel prize winner saying he would be surprised if they're over 10 deaths in Israel.

It's at 100+

What about the ones that predicted 5000 in severe conditions with 2000+ dead (in Israel)? The nobel peace guy is a hell of a lot closer. This has destroyed dozens of families in the frum world. But the hysteric people were predicting thousands of dead in the frum community. This is the good news thread, lets keep it that way

April 12, 2020, 02:46:01 AM
Re: Succos supplies affected?
Even if there aren't issues, it will be given as a reason for high prices...

Either way, that's too far from now to predict.

yea but everyone will get a basic set if shuls are still closed since no need to show off.

April 19, 2020, 03:23:27 PM
Re: Jokes Master Thread "I find that Zoom weddings seem to go quickly."

-a friend of mine

April 22, 2020, 09:34:46 PM
Re: Kosher Meals from DOE Brooklyn and Queens
This is only for kids, parents do not get from this program.
Also you should really thank them, this took a ton of effort to get started and now since no other yeshiva seems to do it, they are currently providing meals for about a thousand kids, and more will sign up when the open the link again tonight.
Correct on it being for kids, but they're not sending individually packaged meals. You write how many kids, and they send it all together - and in abundance based on the first pickup this week. So for example, there was a tin of baked ziti, which is supposed to be 1 lunch for 4 kids. But it's way more than my 4 kids can eat.

And absolutely, this is a huge help for the community. There are certainly families for which this is a lifeline. And even for those that financially don't need it as much, it's a huge convenience at a time when things are difficult managing everything in a house full of kids. It means less trips out to the stores for parents. The pickup system appears to be relatively safe and efficient. As far as it being offered to more than just BYQ - they are the provider/caterer for school lunch for several schools, which is why I believe they started off with some other schools included in the program right off the bat. But that doesn't take anything away from what a big deal, and big effort the whole program is. Kudos to Simcha Noble.

April 23, 2020, 10:24:28 AM
Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Eventually someone is going to have to pay for all this and that someone is us.
Pay who, ourselves? You got Bernie on steroids without him every being elected.
Everyone was complain this plan or that plan will cost billions. That is a bargain now.

April 26, 2020, 09:25:37 PM
Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition? I think the tuition discussion isn't really about a company, or vendor vs. a consumer.
The discussion points are more along the lines of makkas medina, the chasam sofer/rema, paying a melamed, parent's ownership in the school...
It's not clear if schools are a fee for service or something else.

I don't know much halacha regarding these topics, (the headlines podcast covered some btw) but I am overall pretty shocked:
1) The schools overall took it for granted that tuition should continue to be paid in full
2) The relative lack of clear and public rabbinic guidance here
3) The lack of parents expressing their dissatisfaction 

That being said, parents and schools are usually trying to accomplish a shared goal- educating your child. And when a parent isn't happy, they usually keep quiet as fighting a school is like fighting city hall.

April 28, 2020, 11:24:45 AM
Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
Wow. Just what i have been saying the entire time.
There are two parts to it. There is the fee for service which every parent is obligated to pay (in theory, whether or not they can afford it). Then there is the keeping of the mosdos which is the obligation of every community member, whether or not you have school aged children.

If you're asking me to continue paying my tuition obligation to satisfy the latter, then you may be asking me for a disproportionate share.

The same argument is made against the sliding scale tuition model.

April 30, 2020, 01:15:35 AM
Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
I'm not asking this to be insensitive, but merely to have a better understanding.

OK, I'll bite.

There are quite a few members on this thread who seem to have a clear or implicit bias toward this matter. Some are biased because they themselves or a family member has children who attend a school.

This is not a bias. Anyone who has children sends them to school. The conversation begins where you are paying for a product or service that you are not receiving.

Some were simply (B"H) unaffected by deaths of relatives and friends from Covid, and have no problem making judgements on "yenems cheshbon". Yet others consider themselves to be righteous and saintly, and demand that we live our lives as usual, including minyanim, open businesses, etc. regardless of the illness, death, and devastation we will leave in our path.

This has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. You can take it to the "is your shul still open?" thread.

Schools are offering a product which is not the same as the stellar product they always do, as are ALL OTHER BUSINESSES, because they have been forced to discontinue regular operations. Nontheless, the classes are still far harder to prepare for and administer than a physical class would be, many more hours of preparation than a physical class would be, and require the teachers and staff to continue operations as usual despite also being home with their families.

You failed to mention that all other business do NOT charge for a service that they are unable to provide, regardless of how many hoops they have to jump through.

I reject the notion that the schools, many of whom have lost revenue, are working harder, and already offer most parents a price that is BELOW COST of their product due to the generosity and hard work of others

A price is a price. The fact that Jewish schools run on a deficit doesn't change this fact.

and never force you to give more than you are able, but work with you at your personal income level despite the cost,

If you run a school, you are welcome to speak for yourself. Schools that I know will milk every dollar they can out of the parents. If you don't demand a discount, they will take you to the cleaners. And again, it's irrelevant whether the price covers the school's expenses or not.

a business model that’s unheard of, are responsible to continue educating your children at the same price so that they can educate your children properly during and after Covid.

No, it's very much heard of. It's called being a non-profit. Let me know when they are ready to drop their not-for-profit status and start paying tax like a business.

As I see it, if teachers have to take pay cuts, parents need to accept lower quality schooling now and forever.

The teachers will deal with it the same way parents are with their own lost jobs and paycuts, and they should be able to get funds from the PPP.

I don't understand why parents feel completely immune to dealing with the consequences of Covid, when almost everyone else has to deal with it in every other area of their lives. Oddly, I don’t see people requesting that grocery stores and pharmacies, already making large profits, lower their prices to match the aid they may or may not be receiving.

Seriously? What kind of comparison is this? If your grocery store shorted you on products you ordered, you would absolutely get a refund.


The most glaring part of this is, I highly doubt there is any poster who has reached out to the school to renegotiate because of their trying circumstances and been refused a further discount to the presumably already deeply discounted rate they were paying. I am not asking parents to increase tuition to at least cover the cost of educating their own child. I am asking them to be proactively upfront with the schools if they are having trouble. Some have done this. Most have not. I don't appreciate them taking for granted that they may continue bashing schools as if they are being ripped off by continuing to pay the same price for a service that, while the product is diminished, takes more effort to produce hpwhen they are not doing that in any other area of their life, and the school would be more than happy to negotiate at any time if they have further financial stress.

No offense, but this stinks of utter bias.

Parents are the customers. Parents paid for a service that is not being provided as agreed upon. The onus lies squarely on the SCHOOL to reach out and explain why they have the right to continue charging for a service that they are not providing as agreed upon. They should not be depositing any checks or charging any cards until they reach out and ask the parents if they are OK with being charged for a service that was not provided. I'm not interested in excuses about how parents already got a discount. It's irrelevant. If you got a discount on a car, you'd still expect the car to be in the shape it was advertised in, and you would still demand a refund if it was not.

Also, your assumption that nobody reached out to the schools is simply wrong. I know for a fact that my sons school did not answer any calls. period.

May 07, 2020, 12:22:59 AM
Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition? How can a Beis Din issue a ruling on this without both sides present?

There needs to be a zablo set up where both sides make their cases to determine the ruling on this matter.

Of course botei din will by default say it’s proper to keep paying! They don’t want to be responsible for yeshivos collapsing, and worst case scenario, it’s tzedaka anyway.

The admin of my child’s school refused any discounts, saying they will collapse if they offer such a thing. I told him that as long as this is the policy across the board I will continue paying as a tzedaka, but if I find out that he gave anyone any discounts, I will be calling him back and demanding my money back. It’s either a discount for everyone or for no-one.

May 13, 2020, 02:03:48 PM
Re: Uber Eats
i saw the email.  this is the most racist thing i have seen. sick country. sick times we live in.
I emailed the CEO eventhough I doubt he will read it.


Let me start by saying I wish I never had to send this email.    

I wish that the lives of Josef Neumann, Mindy Ferencz, Moshe Deutsch, and countless others weren’t so violently cut short.   

With that being said.   

What about the jewish community with all the anti-semitism going around all day everyday. I never once received an email from you guys when we are attacked for being jewish. I don't ever remember the jewish owned stores being promoted on your apps during those times. So why now? Do Jewish live not matter, or do you guys agree with anti-semitism, do you not stand with the jewish community? I'd like to know the reason why? Please respond. 

June 04, 2020, 08:40:18 PM
Re: Areivim USA - Coronavirus
20 year term, for 1 million, for same age, is less than half of that.

Attached are quotes for a 40 year old

Not for the same underwriting class.

And honestly, I'm not sure where the fixation with $1MM of coverage comes from. For most people I know that's simply underinsuring them.

June 14, 2020, 12:22:31 AM
Re: Bill “The Clown” D’Blasio  :P
July 13, 2020, 12:25:45 AM
Re: Kennedy Replacement DDF Shortlist
The why does the constitution mandate that they approve the nomination??
We have checks and balances as it should be. They failed to there job by never allowing a nomination.
My point was the senate does not represent the voice of the people. It gives states equal say.

July 15, 2020, 06:03:54 PM
Re: Random questions.
Does attending/watching a zoom bris qualify for one who watches to be allowed to eat meat as a part of a Seudas mitzvah? Would one need to leave the video on for the meal/speeches or after the bris part can you turn the zoom off?
You can watch a cooking show after.

July 21, 2020, 10:12:06 PM
Re: Riddles!
One of those can't fall out on Shabbos
? Shabbos Chanukah r"ch. Is one. Other two are shekalim and hachodesh that fall on r"ch, but both can't be on the same year. Hence, 3 and 2, respectively

July 27, 2020, 05:33:45 PM
Re: Car Lease Master Thread

It makes a difference if you were buying more car (and paying for more gas) than you would otherwise have. The math is pretty simple. When you lease you pay for the depreciation, about 6% interest and whatever the leasing company charges. When you buy you save on the interest rate and cut out the leasing company.

Really my second point is really an extension of my first. Those who can do math understand that people who are struggling to make ends meet, and certainly are not saving for their future, can't afford a new car every 2-3 years. All leasing does is hide that and make them think it makes sense. The leasing trend is as much responsible for the financial struggles of frum families as tuition and simchas.
People who can't afford it shouldn't do it. All I said is that if you're going to get a new car every 5 years it makes financial sense, and if you play your cards right as I have many times, you can pay for a good chunk of your next car with the proceeds of the first.
Even for the people you're talking about, comparing a $3,000 a year luxury to a $50,000 Simcha or $100,000 tuition bill is quite the straw man.

August 09, 2020, 01:19:08 PM
Re: RBG DDF shortlist and how it will shape the Elections "I want you to use my words against me. If there's a Republican president in 2016 and a vacancy occurs in the last year of the first term, you can say Lindsey Graham said let's let the next president, whoever it might be, make that nomination."
September 20, 2020, 09:00:39 PM
Re: RBG DDF shortlist and how it will shape the Elections Hilarious how

1- Republicans absolutely definitely cannot admit that it is 100% hypocritical beyond belief.

@YitzyS - Nice n”m but Graham literally spelled out how 2020 would be the exact same in his opinion.

2- Just like it is completely and obviously false to claim that Democrats wouldn’t do the same exact thing with the shoe on the other foot.

@biscotti - 2016 wasn’t the ultimate precedent. There were many previous instances of similar nominations/votes.

Edited to change member to @biscotti

September 22, 2020, 09:48:47 AM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread

September 24, 2020, 06:39:16 PM
Re: Succah Lights - Cheapest price? + 20% off I bought LED outdoor patio lighting on Amazon last year, was great. Similar to this item:
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September 29, 2020, 01:54:33 PM
Re: Trump Vs Biden, Debates 2020
He has condemned white supremacy dozens of times.
He's given a golden opportunity to do so in front of a large audience, and make Biden look bad by failing to condemn Antifa, and he failed. Sad!

September 30, 2020, 11:04:02 AM
Re: Jokes Master Thread גערער (חסיד גור) אחד נעלם בערב סוכות וחוזר אחרי שש שעות.

כשהוא חוזר, הוא מסביר לאשתו הכועסת שהלך לקנות אתרוג.

צועקת האישה: איתי התחתנת אחרי פגישה של חצי שעה, ולבחור
?אתרוג אתה צריך שש שעות

עונה הבעל בשלווה: איתך אני לא יוצא לרחוב...

October 01, 2020, 09:04:09 AM
Re: Tweets, Pictures, And Videos That Are Coronavirus Related

October 07, 2020, 03:50:04 PM