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Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Eventually someone is going to have to pay for all this and that someone is us.
Pay who, ourselves? You got Bernie on steroids without him every being elected.
Everyone was complain this plan or that plan will cost billions. That is a bargain now.

April 26, 2020, 09:25:37 PM
Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition? I think the tuition discussion isn't really about a company, or vendor vs. a consumer.
The discussion points are more along the lines of makkas medina, the chasam sofer/rema, paying a melamed, parent's ownership in the school...
It's not clear if schools are a fee for service or something else.

I don't know much halacha regarding these topics, (the headlines podcast covered some btw) but I am overall pretty shocked:
1) The schools overall took it for granted that tuition should continue to be paid in full
2) The relative lack of clear and public rabbinic guidance here
3) The lack of parents expressing their dissatisfaction 

That being said, parents and schools are usually trying to accomplish a shared goal- educating your child. And when a parent isn't happy, they usually keep quiet as fighting a school is like fighting city hall.

April 28, 2020, 11:24:45 AM
Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
Wow. Just what i have been saying the entire time.
There are two parts to it. There is the fee for service which every parent is obligated to pay (in theory, whether or not they can afford it). Then there is the keeping of the mosdos which is the obligation of every community member, whether or not you have school aged children.

If you're asking me to continue paying my tuition obligation to satisfy the latter, then you may be asking me for a disproportionate share.

The same argument is made against the sliding scale tuition model.

April 30, 2020, 01:15:35 AM
Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
I'm not asking this to be insensitive, but merely to have a better understanding.

OK, I'll bite.

There are quite a few members on this thread who seem to have a clear or implicit bias toward this matter. Some are biased because they themselves or a family member has children who attend a school.

This is not a bias. Anyone who has children sends them to school. The conversation begins where you are paying for a product or service that you are not receiving.

Some were simply (B"H) unaffected by deaths of relatives and friends from Covid, and have no problem making judgements on "yenems cheshbon". Yet others consider themselves to be righteous and saintly, and demand that we live our lives as usual, including minyanim, open businesses, etc. regardless of the illness, death, and devastation we will leave in our path.

This has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. You can take it to the "is your shul still open?" thread.

Schools are offering a product which is not the same as the stellar product they always do, as are ALL OTHER BUSINESSES, because they have been forced to discontinue regular operations. Nontheless, the classes are still far harder to prepare for and administer than a physical class would be, many more hours of preparation than a physical class would be, and require the teachers and staff to continue operations as usual despite also being home with their families.

You failed to mention that all other business do NOT charge for a service that they are unable to provide, regardless of how many hoops they have to jump through.

I reject the notion that the schools, many of whom have lost revenue, are working harder, and already offer most parents a price that is BELOW COST of their product due to the generosity and hard work of others

A price is a price. The fact that Jewish schools run on a deficit doesn't change this fact.

and never force you to give more than you are able, but work with you at your personal income level despite the cost,

If you run a school, you are welcome to speak for yourself. Schools that I know will milk every dollar they can out of the parents. If you don't demand a discount, they will take you to the cleaners. And again, it's irrelevant whether the price covers the school's expenses or not.

a business model thatís unheard of, are responsible to continue educating your children at the same price so that they can educate your children properly during and after Covid.

No, it's very much heard of. It's called being a non-profit. Let me know when they are ready to drop their not-for-profit status and start paying tax like a business.

As I see it, if teachers have to take pay cuts, parents need to accept lower quality schooling now and forever.

The teachers will deal with it the same way parents are with their own lost jobs and paycuts, and they should be able to get funds from the PPP.

I don't understand why parents feel completely immune to dealing with the consequences of Covid, when almost everyone else has to deal with it in every other area of their lives. Oddly, I donít see people requesting that grocery stores and pharmacies, already making large profits, lower their prices to match the aid they may or may not be receiving.

Seriously? What kind of comparison is this? If your grocery store shorted you on products you ordered, you would absolutely get a refund.


The most glaring part of this is, I highly doubt there is any poster who has reached out to the school to renegotiate because of their trying circumstances and been refused a further discount to the presumably already deeply discounted rate they were paying. I am not asking parents to increase tuition to at least cover the cost of educating their own child. I am asking them to be proactively upfront with the schools if they are having trouble. Some have done this. Most have not. I don't appreciate them taking for granted that they may continue bashing schools as if they are being ripped off by continuing to pay the same price for a service that, while the product is diminished, takes more effort to produce hpwhen they are not doing that in any other area of their life, and the school would be more than happy to negotiate at any time if they have further financial stress.

No offense, but this stinks of utter bias.

Parents are the customers. Parents paid for a service that is not being provided as agreed upon. The onus lies squarely on the SCHOOL to reach out and explain why they have the right to continue charging for a service that they are not providing as agreed upon. They should not be depositing any checks or charging any cards until they reach out and ask the parents if they are OK with being charged for a service that was not provided. I'm not interested in excuses about how parents already got a discount. It's irrelevant. If you got a discount on a car, you'd still expect the car to be in the shape it was advertised in, and you would still demand a refund if it was not.

Also, your assumption that nobody reached out to the schools is simply wrong. I know for a fact that my sons school did not answer any calls. period.

May 07, 2020, 12:22:59 AM
Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition? How can a Beis Din issue a ruling on this without both sides present?

There needs to be a zablo set up where both sides make their cases to determine the ruling on this matter.

Of course botei din will by default say itís proper to keep paying! They donít want to be responsible for yeshivos collapsing, and worst case scenario, itís tzedaka anyway.

The admin of my childís school refused any discounts, saying they will collapse if they offer such a thing. I told him that as long as this is the policy across the board I will continue paying as a tzedaka, but if I find out that he gave anyone any discounts, I will be calling him back and demanding my money back. Itís either a discount for everyone or for no-one.

May 13, 2020, 02:03:48 PM
Re: Uber Eats
i saw the email.  this is the most racist thing i have seen. sick country. sick times we live in.
I emailed the CEO eventhough I doubt he will read it.


Let me start by saying I wish I never had to send this email.    

I wish that the lives of Josef Neumann, Mindy Ferencz, Moshe Deutsch, and countless others werenít so violently cut short.   

With that being said.   

What about the jewish community with all the anti-semitism going around all day everyday. I never once received an email from you guys when we are attacked for being jewish. I don't ever remember the jewish owned stores being promoted on your apps during those times. So why now? Do Jewish live not matter, or do you guys agree with anti-semitism, do you not stand with the jewish community? I'd like to know the reason why? Please respond. 

June 04, 2020, 08:40:18 PM
Re: Areivim USA - Coronavirus
20 year term, for 1 million, for same age, is less than half of that.

Attached are quotes for a 40 year old

Not for the same underwriting class.

And honestly, I'm not sure where the fixation with $1MM of coverage comes from. For most people I know that's simply underinsuring them.

June 14, 2020, 12:22:31 AM
Re: Kennedy Replacement DDF Shortlist
The why does the constitution mandate that they approve the nomination??
We have checks and balances as it should be. They failed to there job by never allowing a nomination.
My point was the senate does not represent the voice of the people. It gives states equal say.

July 15, 2020, 06:03:54 PM
Re: Random questions.
Does attending/watching a zoom bris qualify for one who watches to be allowed to eat meat as a part of a Seudas mitzvah? Would one need to leave the video on for the meal/speeches or after the bris part can you turn the zoom off?
You can watch a cooking show after.

July 21, 2020, 10:12:06 PM
Re: Riddles!
One of those can't fall out on Shabbos
? Shabbos Chanukah r"ch. Is one. Other two are shekalim and hachodesh that fall on r"ch, but both can't be on the same year. Hence, 3 and 2, respectively

July 27, 2020, 05:33:45 PM