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Just Shmooze / Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« on: May 17, 2019, 11:45:00 AM »
Perhaps I don't follow you fully. Are you saying that without Torah there is no innate good or bad?
That is clearly wrong because before the giving of the Torah there was the Mabul which was a punishment for wrong.
Check out R. Nissam Goan's introduction to Shas printed in any Vilna Edition where he discusses this. See also Chovos Halvavos in his introduction.
This topic relates so I wouldn't consider it hijacking the thread.

 R' Nissam Goan writes that man was responsible for logical actions from the time he was placed on earth. Even before the giving of the Torah and before the 7 mitzvos bnei noach, man had a logical brain that he was expected to consult with. 

Take the case of Kayin who was held responsible for killing his brother Hevel. That was before Torah and before the 7 noahide laws. He should have known that murder is wrong.
You appear to be confusing the giving of the Torah to klal yisroel on har sinai with the creation/existence of the Torah. Since we know histakel b'oraysa ubara alma, the fact that pre-matan Torah there was a responsibility not to kill still has to come from the Torah. Ie the mechayev may not be the Torah, but the logic still stems from the Torah.

Just Shmooze / Re: Abortion = Murder?
« on: May 16, 2019, 11:41:33 PM »
Outlier or not, I think it would be a stretch to say that there's an 'accepted' set of psakim/halachos governing all abortion situations. As such, even if one feels that the correct hashkafa is for us as Jews to advocate for what we think is correct in the realm of abortions to be implemented as secular law, there may not be a consensus/accepted set of halachos on the subject to turn into law. These are things that are very much decided on a case by case basis in Judaism, and you're never going to be able to install a system of secular law that would emulate having poskei hador decide such matters.

Just Shmooze / Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« on: May 16, 2019, 03:02:24 PM »
...The viability argument isn't too sure-footed either. A 3-month-old baby would also die if they were left alone. A toddler would also die if no one would feed them. Some adult husbands would die if they weren't fed ;) . The fact that someone requires care doesn't mean that they don't have the right to exist.
Didn't read the rest yet, but that's not what viability means.
Quote from:
Viability, as the word has been used in United States constitutional law since Roe v. Wade, is the potential of the fetus to survive outside the uterus after birth, natural or induced, when supported by up-to-date medicine. Fetal viability depends largely on the fetal organ maturity, and environmental conditions.
ETA: That means it includes being fed. A fetus that's considered not viable won't survive no matter what (0% at 21 weeks or less). A baby, toddler, etc will all survive when cared for properly.

Just Shmooze / Re: Riddles!
« on: May 16, 2019, 02:08:53 PM »
...People "of a certain age" fail this, because they aren't around enough female doctors to think that way.
I'm not sure this is the reason. I think the way the question is framed plays a big role as well. There are 8 words in the riddle that are gender specific, and all refer to males.

Just Shmooze / Re: Riddles!
« on: May 16, 2019, 01:03:33 PM »
In a lake, there is a patch of lily pads.  Every day, the patch doubles in size.  If it takes 48 days for the patch to cover the entire lake, how many days would it have taken for the patch to cover a quarter of the lake?

Just Shmooze / Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« on: May 15, 2019, 11:18:19 PM »
The VIN article lists him as Dr Andrew Wakefield?
If your point is that VIN shouldn't have referred to him as such, I agree.

Just Shmooze / Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« on: May 15, 2019, 07:14:08 PM »
Why hasn't andrew Wakefield medical license been stripped?
As mentioned, it has been. But that doesn't curb his influence in those circles. Aderaba, he gets to claim martyrdom, that he was wrongly persecuted for his righteous crusade, or whatever nonsense they choose to spin it with.

Just Shmooze / Re: The funny/strange/interesting video thread...
« on: May 15, 2019, 10:45:21 AM »

I see on tapa it just takes you to the beginning of the video. There relevant bit starts at 18:04, a piece about Otisville.


how fine or course do you grind?
Coursest setting on my grinder.

Interesting. What kind of measurements do you do?
No real measuring. I basically fill the filter basket with grounds, and fill the pitcher with water.

Interesting. I think I used to leave it in much longer... So short and you get full taist?
12 is probably a little short, but I've definitely had full bodied results from mcuh less than 24.

Just Shmooze / Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« on: May 14, 2019, 09:48:19 AM »

Depends on who's side they're on.
Was gonna make that joke, but couldn't formulate it properly. You nailed it though.

ETA: Really needs the jingle to drive it home.

Just Shmooze / Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« on: May 14, 2019, 12:12:49 AM »

This is skyguys point. Just be open instead of shouting people down, and hopefully that will listen to common sense. If there are any antivaxxers that could possibly be convinced, it will not be through the current tactics of bluster and condescension, deserved or not.
You mean sky121, not skyguy. And I would argue that while the 'shouting' doesn't work, neither does the common sense. It's not like no one has tried that before - it happens all the time, it just doesn't work.

Just Shmooze / Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« on: May 13, 2019, 11:19:32 PM »
Why are they reaching out to folks on the above locals rather than Passaic, five towns, etc.? Perhaps because the latter have the education and access to information that makes them less likely to swallow the hogwash being peddled by the organizers?
In the Orthodox Jewish community it tilts heavily in that direction. Look at Williamsburg vs. Baltimore, for example and tell me which of the two has a large group of anti-vaxxers?
Not disputing what appears to be the overall trend, but this school in Queens is solidly in the modern orthodox camp.

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