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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Purim 5781
« on: February 23, 2021, 01:24:39 AM »
Megilla-in Shul as Shuls in my area are all reopening to those with vaccines (well over 50% have both in my community)
MM-Regular as can be for a short Friday
Seuda-Close Family
ML-regular

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« on: February 15, 2021, 02:08:19 PM »
From Sunday stores & malls will open with reduced capacity. Hotels, gyms, and pools will open only for people who are immune

https://www.mako.co.il/news-lifestyle/2021_q1/Article-78d38dad0e4a771027.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802

Seems kids will need negative tests to join at hotels....my kids might choose to stay home instead lol

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« on: February 14, 2021, 03:10:53 AM »
90% of people over 60 are vaccinated or immune. Pretty much the end line IMHO.

And yet they still keep stores and restaurants closed. Enough is enough. Let us FREE!!!  Keep the unvaccinated locked up, and let me go

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Tehillim for people with corona virus
« on: February 14, 2021, 02:53:47 AM »
Chava Freicha bat Masudi mother with 8 children at home. Went from "just needing oxygen" to a coma in 24 hours.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: February 12, 2021, 03:09:21 AM »
I've been told that Dr. Shanik is of the opinion that a patient sheds the virus for 14 days, and he says that the CDC only writes 10 because they know that nobody would listen to 14 days (and presumably the danger is mitigated after 10). Dr. Shanik personally advises people to wait 14 days.

If there is truth to that, then it may be questionable if one should cut corners on the 10-day time frame.
Israel requires 10 days from onset of symptoms (positive test) and 3 days symptom free. There is no requirement to test negative to be released.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Second dose side effects
« on: February 11, 2021, 02:34:50 AM »
Following up on my shot. As I stated BH I had no side effects.

My wife got hit pretty hard, she spent 2 days in bed the third day she woke up as if nothing happened BH.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Second dose side effects
« on: February 09, 2021, 02:23:46 AM »
Any reports of anything lasting longer than 24 (or 48) hours?
Max I heard was 72 hours

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Second dose side effects
« on: February 08, 2021, 02:01:38 AM »
Me and my wife got the second shot yesterday. B"H for me I feel fine outside my arm being super sore. My wife though is getting hit pretty bad with moderate flu like symptoms. Hoping it will disappear, as others have noted after 24 hours.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« on: February 07, 2021, 09:19:42 AM »
Got my second shot today, workers at the vaccination place the rate of people coming in has slowed to a trickle. Seems the majority of people who want the vaccine have already taken it. Now its time to "convince" the others to take it.

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https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/296293

Wonder how long it will take to get this into mainstream treatment.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« on: February 05, 2021, 02:50:03 AM »
The overwhelming majority of Rabbis & doctors in Israel are instructing everybody to get vaccinated. Anybody who doesnít get vaccinated and doesnít stay 100% isolated is drilling a hole in the collective lifeboat and directly responsible for the ongoing maladies including lockdown and bittul Torah ועתיד ליתן את הדין.

This was a very strongly written letter sent out to my "city" from the rav who leads the kehilla. Side note completely, his mother was Rav Gifters sister in law.

אליעזר בן הרב עקיבא זצ"ל הכרמי
רב בית הכנסת המרכזי בקרית שמואל חיפה
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תורה ועבודה 6 קריית שמואל חיפה מ. 2638406 טל. 525420-0526 COM.GMAIL@HAKARMI
בס"ד ט"ו בשבט תשפ"א
אודות חובת החיסון
תושבי קרייתנו היקרים.
הצטערתי והזדעזעתי לשמוע כי בקרב תושבי הקריה יש פולמוס ודין ודברים באשר לחובת החיסון נגד קורונה.
הגמרא במסכת ע"ז אומרת "כל מי שיש בידו למחות ואינו מוחה - נענש עליו". מתוך שאיני רוצה להיתפ ס ולהיענש
חלילה, בעוון הציבור, ומתוך אכפתיות לשלום הציבור וכלל ישראל, רצוני לבאר דעתי בעניין החיסון.
חובה גמורה בעיני, הן מצד ההלכה, הן מצד המוסר והן מצד השכל הישר, להתחסן כנגד הקורונה.
אלה שאינם מתחסנים וכל שכן הקוראים לאחרים להימנע מחיסון, או המונעים מבני משפחתם להתחסן, מתחייבים
בנפשם חלילה , וחמור מכך מתחייבים בנפש זולתם וחלילה וחס עוון גרימת רציחה בידם.
תועלת החיסון ברורה וחד משמעית לדעת כל המומחים , ואין בכוחם של כל מיני סיפורי בדים, הכחשות והילוך אימים
לטשטש עובדה זו. גם אם יש אפשרות של תופעות לוואי מסוימות, אין בכוחם לגרוע מהחשיבות הכללית של חיסון
הציבור כולו. אין אדם רשאי להשתמט מחובה זו בטענה שאם כלל הציבור יתחסן יספיק הדבר אף עבורי ואני אמלט
נפשי מחשש תופעות הלוואי של החיסון. ראשית, כל אדם מסכן עצמו שאם ידבק חלילה הוא עלול להגיע למצב סכנה
והדבר נכון אף ביחס לצעירים. חשוב מכך , תועלת החיסון היא גם בתפוצתו הרחבה ואין אדם רשאי לפטור עצמו
מחובה זו.
לצערי, ראיתי ושמעתי שמעבר לאזהרות שווא מופצות גם קריאות בשם רבנים ודעת תורה שלא להתחסן. יש מקום
לפקפק אם אכן הדברים מהימנים ובפרט שגדולי הרבנים כבר חיוו דעתם -המובנת מאליה - בזכות החיסון. בכל אופן
ודאי שקריאות אלו אין להן משקל, הן באות משולי המחנה ופעמים שביסודן חוסר אמון בסיסי במוסדות המדינה.
אנו מלאים בהודאה לה' יתברך הנותן לנו כוח לעשות חיל, שנתן בלב חכמי לב, בינה וחכמה ליצור חיסון למגפה קשה
זו. הלב מתרחב בראותנו את כלל ישראל מתגייס למשימה זו של הצלת נפשות ומודים אנו לה' יתברך שזכינו והמאבק
במגיפה מנוהל על ידי אחינו בני ישראל, בארץ ישראל, ע"י ממשלת ישראל.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« on: February 05, 2021, 02:44:36 AM »
I admit I was also worried when I heard that.  Not that it was from the vaccine, but that I heard that he had died while being treated from Covid.  At least that was in the news I had read:
" He was Niftar after contracting COVID-19 last week and had been hospitalized in a a hospital in Eretz Yisroel. He was 90."
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/boruch-dayan-emmes/1944039/petira-of-rabbi-dr-a-j-twerski-ztl-niftar-from-covid-19-in-eretz-yisroel.html

So someone who was knowledgeable about medicine and had managed to avoid catching Covid for almost a year, suddenly gets it.... the same week he got the vaccine?  I heard of a few other instances like this, and it seems to me that the most likely explanation is that they were infected around the time of getting the shot - either from the driver who took them, the medical personnel who administered it, the other people coming for vaccinations at the same time.  Some of the pictures you see where vaccinations are being given show people in small rooms, or many people together, which makes it easier for an airborne virus to travel.  This photo shows 2 people getting the vaccine, from 2 technicians, but it looks like another 9 people are within breathing distance.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2020-12-18/card/lChtd0BqejvmRcSHelzk

This in itself is not a reason to avoid the vaccine, of course, but it is a reason to try to select the circumstances in which one gets it, to avoid having to be in a crowded space.

I had been wishing that people who catch Covid around the time of vaccination would publicize how they think they got it.  And then, just this morning, I got such a phone call from family in Israel.  I hadn't been wishing it would happen to someone I know, but it did.  She's been carefully isolating due to contact with a vulnerable person, so she got the vaccine, and a week later came down with symptoms, and tested positive.  The rest of her family tested negative to the virus, she quarantined, and is BH fine now.  So how did she get infected with Covid?  She remembered that the technician who gave her the shot seemed to be sniffling.  Well, it was winter, maybe he had a cold, or allergies?  But then she had another thought, and had her family tested for antibodies.  Sure enough, her young child, who had been going to school and had not had symptoms tested positive for antibodies.  So she she can't be sure whether it was from the technician or that her son caught the virus in school, and brought it home to her, around the same time that she happened to get the vaccine.

Sadly I have heard from a few doctors, that found out after the fact, that patients that were COVID+ with symptoms went to get the shot.

 This is why we cant have good things.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« on: February 04, 2021, 02:06:05 AM »
Vaccination open to anybody 16+

Looks like itís going to be difficult to convince younger people to get vaccinated

For now, but if these hospitalizations of young people continue it should scare enough people to get the vaccine. They need to publicize every case of young people that are dying, they need to show 20-30 year olds on vents. Most of all they need to open the malls/Restaurants/Bars and have VERY strict guidelines not allowing in anyone without a shot.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« on: February 02, 2021, 02:21:42 AM »
Only 117k vaccinated in Israel yesterday. Slowing down for some reason.

Another 8k+ cases. I am truly at a loss how this is happening. There is no rational explanation for this. You have almost 20% of the population vaccinated with both shots. You have the 1 in 5 Charedim already infected. You have a strict lockdown in terms of closed spaces. How is the virus still spreading so fast? It makes no sense.

I know I have posted this multiple times but I just keep getting blown away that we have seen practically no fall in the numbers at all. Our infection rate is more then 5 times that of the USA.

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