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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Anosmia - solution/treatment
« on: Today at 05:08:38 PM »
I lost my sense of smell after I didn't have any other symptoms. It's been over a week. Will I have to do this therapy, or it might just come back on its own?

For my 4 kids, most tastes and smells returned over the first two months post CVOVID, although they really made the best of it and had interesting conversations around the table where they ranked how strong they tasted the food on a 1-10 scale.

Unfortunately for my AC, she is still dealing with food that tastes off, almost six months post :-( but  I am intrigued by the therapy.

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It appears a considerable portion of reinfections are suffering far more severe symptoms the second time around. I wonder if some people who had worse manifestations already in March were really infected more than once.


https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/08/covid-19-reinfection-tracker/

https://www.bhol.co.il/news/1141874?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=link

I read the article from BNO and they report that 3 out of the 20 had symptoms identified as "serious" with no explanation of what "serious" meant, while one person had a more mild case the second time around.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Anosmia - solution/treatment
« on: Today at 01:23:09 PM »
From Dr Ditchek facebook

Stuart Ditchek

For those people struggling with post COVID-19 difficulty with smell, I thought that you would find this outline from Northwell Health helpful. The original source(citation) for the data is documented at the end of the post.
Smell Loss and Olfactory Training
- A viral infection of the nose or sinuses is one of the reasons people may suddenly lose their
sense of smell. Sometimes patients will recall having had a cold or a flu just prior to losing
their sense of smell. Other times these viral infections are so mild the person may not
remember much at all about having been ill.
- Corona virus 2019 (COVID-19) is one of the viral infections that could lead to smell loss and
there are also lots of other types of viruses that can cause smell loss, e.g., other types of
coronaviruses, rhinoviruses and influenza viruses.
- When people lose their sense of smell, they often feel like they’ve also lost their sense of
taste. Because the flavor of food (ability to make out the difference between watermelon vs.
cherry) is dependent on the ability to smell it. The only ‘tastes’ left are the basic ones of
sweet/salty/sour/bitter that the tongue delivers directly to the brain.
- People are sometimes able to recover their sense of smell after a viral infection. If this is
going to happen, the majority of recovery usually happens in the first several months after
being sick. A slower recovery could possible still happen over the next year or so.
Unfortunately, there are many people who do not recover.
- Losing your sense of smell and taste can really affect a person’s quality of life. It may be
hard to enjoy food and drink. It may be hard to judge personal hygiene. It may be hard to
detect dangerous things such as smoke, natural gas, and food that has turned bad.
- Unfortunately, no medications have been proven to help people recover their sense of smell
after a virus. Even though medications may not be helpful, there is a treatment called
olfactory training (OT) that can be helpful. OT is a very simple protocol that a person can do
themselves at home to help retrain their brain to smell again. OT actually has high-level
evidence showing that it works. OT may not bring all the sense of smell back, but it is simple
and can help many improve.
- Losing the sense of smell and taste can be an early sign of COVID-19 infection and is
sometimes the only symptom people have. If this happens to you without any other
symptoms, consider self-isolating if possible so you do not transmit the infection to others.
If you develop other symptoms of COVID-19 in addition to your smell loss, contact your
healthcare provider to be screened and possibly tested.
This technique of olfactory training (OT) is based on the idea that the nerves responsible for providing our sense of smell can be strengthened through exercise. OT has been shown to be effective in multiple clinical studies. However, these results are averaged across multiple patients and it should be remembered that each individual person may improve by different amounts. The improvement in smell is often slow and occurs over many months, even up to two years.
Technique
A. The training consists of smelling four different odors: rose, eucalyptus, lemon, and clove, twice a day, every day.
1. Choose one odor and smell it for approximately 15 seconds while trying to remember what it once smelled like.
2. Rest for about 10 seconds.
3. Smell the next odor for approximately 15 seconds.
4. Rest for about 10 seconds.
5. Repeat until all 4 odors have been sampled
B. After 3 months switch to a new set of odors: menthol, thyme, tangerine, and jasmine and train with them as described in part A.
C. After 3 months switch to another new set of odors: green tea, bergamot, rosemary, and gardenia and train with them again as described in part A.
Note: if there is a particular smell you want to be able to smell again, add this to your training. The actual substance is not required to produce an effect. Most people purchase essential oils containing the odors listed above. The advantage is ease of use and ability to cap the bottles to prevent gradual decreasing strength of the odor. These can be purchased through multiple online vendors, some holistic medicine shops, and health food stores.
Source: International Forum of Allergy & Rhinology, Vol. 10, No. 7, July 2020

Thanks - these are some good suggestions.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Anosmia - solution/treatment
« on: Today at 12:55:02 PM »
Back in March my Aishes Chayil and all of my kids lost taste and smell while I was the only one that did not suffer from Anosmia...but I was the one with the fever and severe congestion. Like most families, there have been some post-COVID complications which some of us have been dealing with but BH we have all recovered.

One of the quirky aspects of the Anosmia is that for at least one family member, certain foods have continued to taste "off" since March, although general taste and smell have returned. The "offensive" foods include splenda, peppers and pineapple. I have spoken with one of my coworkers whose wife also had it and has similar residual offensive flavor issues (he did not have it, nor did any other members of his family).

I am throwing this out to the DDF to see if others have experienced this residual issue and if there are any non-surgical solutions being offered.

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Deals/Deal Requests / Re: Goodr Sunglasses ~$6 shipped
« on: Today at 12:40:07 PM »
Not seeing any of that style on the site and the 2 pairs I picked did not allow for the code.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
« on: September 26, 2020, 10:34:36 PM »
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Rishon LeZion and Jerusalem Chief Rabbi Shlomo Amar gave a lesson on Yom Kippur at the Ner HaTorah Beit Midrash in the Bar Ilan neighborhood of Jerusalem.

Professor David Sheetrit, one of the corona experts, participated in the class in order to bring the medical side before Rishon Lezion, and according to this, the Rishon Lezion ruled on whether corona patients will fast on Yom Kippur.

"I asked him to come despite the trouble because there are many questions in this matter. There are some with symptoms and there are some without, and there are those who are only weak. Each according to his situation. The question for these people is what level each is considered to be, whether they must eat, and whether only in measured portions."

Professor Sheetrit in his remarks raised the sides and medical problems that can arise from fasting both in people with background illnesses and in young people.

After his remarks, the Rishon LeZion ruled that a person who is young and does not have a background disease should fast normally. Rabbi Amar added, "But I say he should lie down as much as he can and pray calmly and lightly without much effort. But if he has high fever or cough then he should eat portions of thirty grams every 10 minutes, and water less than forty grams, whenever he feels the need."

For older people he ruled: "Older people aged 65 and over with fever, cough, or breathing problems should eat normally. It is better to desecrate one Yom Kippur and keep many Yom Kippurs during their lifetime."

In his remarks, the Rishon LeZion spoke about epidemics that occurred many years ago and many did not fast because of those epidemics. "Once, when there was an outbreak, there were men of great stature who performed kiddush in synagogue on Yom Kippur. My father told me that a hundred years ago there was a disease in Morocco that claimed many lives and then everyone had to eat. There's nothing to do, G-d will save us from this situation. This is also not a simple situation. We hear from time to time about people dying, especially the elderly. You have to be very careful, pray a lot. Don't let prayers slip. Our Father, our King, will stop this terrible plague," Rishon LeZion exclaimed.

During his remarks, Rabbi Amar referred to the question of whether it is permissible to use disinfectant gel on Yom Kippur on one's entire hands and he ruled that it is permissible, "I was asked whether to use gel on the entire hands or only on the fingers is permissible. I replied that it isn't washing, it's disinfection. The hands are always busy, sometimes touching the other hand, the fingers; there's no prohibition on that."


https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/287965

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: September 25, 2020, 10:36:32 AM »
Whatever the solution, they better figure it out before YK. Fasting can be napalm on a superspreader event if someone sits in the wrong minyan for a few hours.

Fasting when I had COVID really did a number on me and that was only a half fast.

When things started to get bad they were gozeir Yom Kippur Katan as a half day fast for erev Rosh Chodesh Nissan. At the time I was five days into symptoms and I said to myself - I can do this, its half a day and I am stuck at home anyway.

I was so drained and knocked out from fasting until 1 PM that day and the congestion really kicked up again. I spoke to my Rav later in the day about other issues and told him how I was feeling and I got well deserved Mussar for fasting.

Yes Yom Kippur is very different and people should speak with their Rav, but when I read your napalm comment I needed to post my experience.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
« on: September 24, 2020, 02:43:50 PM »
I'm not sure what you're disagreeing on.
What would your threshold for closing a school be?
Don't close them.

This is why I asked you how old your kids are and what you did with them last time.

You can't just categorically say that schools should never close.

If there is a massive spread in a school, you can't just keep the school open and allow kids to keep infecting other kids and bringing it home to their families.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
« on: September 24, 2020, 02:34:07 PM »
It's extremely understandable, it's the only way out of this overreaching government oversight. What to do with a child presenting symptoms is a different question.

How old are your kids and what did you do with them during the last lockdown?

As the father of 4, including one who unwittingly brought it home from school right after Purim and infected my whole house, I would respectfully disagree with your position.

After a person has seen how this disease impacts their own family (including ongoing complications six months later) when there were no warnings or precautions, it changes the perspective.



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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: September 24, 2020, 02:21:41 PM »
If he wasn't singling us out, why didn't he include any neighborhoods that aren't predominately jewish?

How can you be so myopic? Immediately before he mentioned those neighborhoods he said:

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Now, look, what we've found is the more we focus testing where the need is greatest, the more impact that makes. So, this is the hyperlocal effort that Test and Trace is focused on. It's made all the difference. And one of the areas now that been already involved in the hyperlocal testing effort and the outreach effort is Ozone Park, Queens. There's been free rapid testing available. This is the point of care testing with a fast turnaround testing, quick answers – and that's been available and continues to be available through October 2nd at the Queens Public Library in Ozone Park. And there are medical interpreters onsite – they speak Spanish, Bengali, Urdu, Punjabi, and Cantonese. So, really ready to serve the needs of that particular community. So, whenever we see an area we need to focus on, we've seen consistently what happens – a lot more testing, happens a lot more outreach, a lot more communication, and we see good results and we're going to keep doing that. So we're continuing that effort and ozone park Queens.

I reproduced the whole quote above, but you are focused entirely on the words following ozone park.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: September 24, 2020, 02:11:16 PM »
The clear pattern is that there's an outbreak in multiple neighborhoods but DeBlasio decided to pick on the jews.

That's the second time that you said that, but did you hear his press conference?

I'm not a fan of DeBlasio in any sense, but he went out of his way to mention neighborhoods and said nothing about them being Jewish.

Here is an excerpt from the press conference where he mentions the neighborhood

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Now, look, what we've found is the more we focus testing where the need is greatest, the more impact that makes. So, this is the hyperlocal effort that Test and Trace is focused on. It's made all the difference. And one of the areas now that been already involved in the hyperlocal testing effort and the outreach effort is Ozone Park, Queens. There's been free rapid testing available. This is the point of care testing with a fast turnaround testing, quick answers – and that's been available and continues to be available through October 2nd at the Queens Public Library in Ozone Park. And there are medical interpreters onsite – they speak Spanish, Bengali, Urdu, Punjabi, and Cantonese. So, really ready to serve the needs of that particular community. So, whenever we see an area we need to focus on, we've seen consistently what happens – a lot more testing, happens a lot more outreach, a lot more communication, and we see good results and we're going to keep doing that. So we're continuing that effort and ozone park Queens. We're continuing the effort in Borough Park, in Brooklyn – testing center open at Fort Hamilton Parkway in 41st Street. Again, crucial for people to get tested in that community. And we have other areas where we need to really focus more and we're going to see expanded community outreach efforts into neighborhoods where we are seeing some upticks in the last day. So, here are some areas we're concerned about Kew Gardens, Midwood, Flatbush, Far Rockaway and Williamsburg. All these are neighborhoods where we've seen some upticks lately. We need to apply a lot of energy and focus to these areas. You're going to see a lot of activity in the community to remind people of the basics, how important it is and what we call the core four – four things that you can do that makes such a difference – wear a mask, socially distance, wash your hands, and stay home if you’re sick. Four things – I can do this for things

https://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/673-20/transcript-mayor-de-blasio-holds-media-availability

I don't know if its because of what happened the last few times when he did single us out, but not  this time.

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: September 24, 2020, 01:54:22 PM »
Far rockaway is nowhere near exclusively orthodox

Neither is Williamsburg - but honestly speaking the cases are ours, not the other residents of those neighborhoods.

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Deals/Deal Requests / Re: Free six pack leineinkugel octoberfest
« on: September 24, 2020, 12:58:35 PM »
I got 50% off up to $5

The six packs usually run 7.99-8.99, so not so bad. I am not big fan of their Oktoberfest, but free is free (at least in NY).

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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
« on: September 24, 2020, 12:35:07 PM »
TAG is being closed by the NY health department

Am hearing that TAG still does not know why they were closed down. Assume its COVID related but the school is not saying anything.

Anyone have info?

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