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Politics / Re: Geopolitics and Wars of Israel
« on: May 11, 2021, 07:35:13 PM »with @PlatinumGuy 's permision id like to clarify my take on this conversation.
there is (almost) no one among mainstream chareidi judaism who is of the opinion that there is no mitzvah of yishuv eretz yisroel today.
there is no one who in his right mind can argue that the general opinions and actions of the non religious zionists of 100 years ago werent pure blasphemy.
facts on the ground were, that jews were being slaughtered in europe and most had nowhere to go.
those who felt the right/smart thing to do was to go LIVE in ERETZ yisroel, included the likes of the chazon ish, brisker ruv, and rav shach.
although they moved here and lived out their lives here, the above mentioned giants, were vehemently and ideologically opposed to MEDINAT YISRAEL.
they were opposed to the STATE for religious reasons and convictions, and indeed no one can argue that much irreversible damage to judaism has been done by the the STATE and its cronies, as foreseen by these holy men. chacham adif minavi. they foresaw the terrible damage it had wreaked and still wreaks on judaism, and therefore regarded it as a calamity.
that being said, all 3 of the above mentioned were in constant touch with the leaders and MP's of the state, and gave them plenty of their wise advice in handling many different situations, including military advice.
jews must constantly be wary to survive religiously. we must constantly be wary to survive physically as well. (even PG spends much of his time in between ideological arguments with safety precautions)
for many years, there was an opinion amongst many torah leaders, including harav shach, that if we appease the arabs/ give them territory/ be careful not to anger the world etc etc, we would be safer off. this was NOT chalila a matter of liberalism, human rights deviations, or meek hearted post modern pluralism. these gedolim couldnt have been further from such ideas. it was pure survival tactics.
when rav shach and the steipler realized that we and the world had come to a situation, where the religious dangers posed to us by the left, which was becoming more and more liberal by the day, were more dangerous to our religious survival, than the physical threat posed to us by the arabs, which were becoming less and less by the day, he immediately changed tactics, and "switched sides" to join forces with the right. in reality he never had been on any side. he had always only been occupied with worrying for the religious and physical survival of the jewish ppl. regardless of any state.
till today the mainstream chareidim have never rejoined forces with the left. everything they stand for is so in contrast with judaism, it just wouldnt work. their post modern globalist non sensible views, are so wacked out, that anyone who cares for either the religious or physical survival of the jewish ppl, shares no common ground with them.
we see clearly today, that bending to the arabs and/or the world just doesnt work in todays planet earth. every centimeter that we give them produces another centimeter of jewish blood spilled. every time we bow our heads to them gives them more confidence to continue terrorizing us.
we, the ppl of the book, who abhor the sword, have no choice but to wield the sword in order not to get felled by the sword. much of this is due to the horrible religious destruction wreaked upon us by the state and the liberals who have filled our holy land with sinfull actions and ideas.
that does not mean chalila that our youth should be trained to use the sword. because for every hour they spend in the beis medrash, they are filling our land with torah and holiness, which is much more effective in saving us physically than all the swords in the world. they are our true saviors. much more than all those sword wielding sinners who are busy fighting off the dangers they themselves are bringing upon us.
to answer arab aggression with "appeasement" and all the other new world types of weak ideas, is only digging us further into the mud, by further entrenching ourselves in the anti torah liberal ideologies, which is actually what gives our enemies the power to keep on abusing us.
the only effective way to deal with the situation we have found ourselves thrown into, is to on one hand improve our torah and religious studies and convictions, which is the greatest force to weaken our oppressors, and on the other hand to demand from those whose actions and ideas are allowing the oppressors to rise, that they respond as close as possible to the torah's way of dealing with our enemies.
if we allow them to further their anti torah liberal views, we are losing on both ends. we are steeping our holy land further into their filth religious wise, and by default endangering even more our chances of physical survival.
Where is the minus -10,000 button?
