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Just wow.


Do they have dreidlich to play with for when the cops come.

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The blame lies partially with the supermarkets. Supermarkets in most places have no limit on how many people can go in at a time, and people stand crammed together at checkout. That led people to rationalize why do minyanim have to be different.  The thruth is that the supermarkets that were open with no restrictions, the restaurants that had everyone cramming together at the checkout line,  are just as much to blame.

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I feel bad for everyone in these phone schooling situations, the teachers that have to home school over the phone with no experience in this field, with their kids at home, the parents that have to be busy with it, and  the children that get frustrated. Maybe we should have adopted a system where schools lay off their teachers and have them go on government subsidies ( like many people parents are forced to do), plus donations from parents and the community While private talented individuals would compete to offer the best phone/zoom classes

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Using the word wrong and ignorant doesnít make it so, whatever someone else says is an opinion, unless itís against the Torah or a verifiable fact.

Many Schools have or had some level of pressure to adopt zoom, and most schools donít want to do it on haskafic grounds. This letter definitely helps the administrators.
We all knew the BMG poskim would never be matir any sort of zoom in the end, the same way we can predict what most outspoken rabbanoim will pasken on most well known haskafa questions.
They released a short letter, with no explanations, when combined with their haskafa, doesnít allow me to believe they actually were considering any zoom classes seriously. If you know otherwise than you are right, and I take it back.
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Halevai. But student visas cannot enter.

Thatís why a general psak is confusing, did they give up the lease or didnít they?
Are they allowed to come back or not?
Whoís name is on the lease? If itís the parents, than we can argue that their children living there were somewhat of a sublease, and we can tell the parents to find someone else to put in there, but they have to pay anyway.

Iím not a dayan but these could be valid differences.

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You are dead wrong. You don't want to listen to them then don't. Don't make up stupidity just to allay your guilty feelings.

Asking questions about a psak given by a rav is something we see for generations, in Halacha and Hashkafa, thatís why we have thick volumes of שו״ת ספרים. We donít think they are ignorant, but we want to understand the details of what was discussed, as releasing details provides clarity, it also usually helps with those saying they were pressured. In this case questions can be asked, especially when other prominent schools did allow zoom schools to go on.

With minyanim they released a clear letter explaining the situations and their reasonings, great! They could have done the same thing here, and would have put some of these questions to rest, but they didnít, as they just have to convince school administrators not everybody, which was their goal. Yes we all know they wouldnít consider any zoom options whatsoever, even if you agree with them you believe that. 

 Next time donít attack attack me personally for misunderstanding me.

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Also check whoís name is on the lease, maybe their parents would be more generous.

Even if itís makos Medina why would this be different from the Baltimore and Lakewood beis din that recommend paying at least a third for playgroup teachers.

Did your rav pasken to you directly or was it a general psak.

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Unless they explicitly told you you can keep whatís there. Iím not sure that telling you a lease is over makes you mechzuk on their items.


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Its a safek, so you can't "collect".

Whatever you have possession of now is what you're left with. So landlords are left with towels, and tenants are left with their money.


If a tenant left something over is the landlord considered mechzuk?

Also is it possible that the psak was only regarding those that officially gave up the apartment and allow you to try to find other tenants, while if they donít allow you to find new tenants than they must pay you?

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It does differ. Rav Shafran is paskening Oneis here and Hamotzih Olov Harayeh. Im an Halachik Jew, I will follow din torah.

So I'm gonna be selling some Ben Barber linen and Bed Bath & Beyond towels and Mckenzies Childs (yoish) stuff for a few Shekels...


Sorry Iím confused. So they are required to pay you, but they arenít so you are seizing their towels. Or they are not required?

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There are two threads about this topic please donít create a third one

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It would be naive to think they actually considered any option even for one minute, and didnít just ban the whole thing instantly.

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Some gibberish about a closed border. Local law in Israel allows landlord to force entry and take possession if there is valid reason to believe the unit is currently unoccupied.


So it seems they want to keep the lease.

I donít see why this is relevant to makos medina. They could have stayed and knew they might not have flights on the way back, thatís why they all left in the first place. Unlike a teacher or camp which is forced to close.

You might want to be careful as Halacha might differ with the law on this one.

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To clarify what does the tenant say? If the tenant doesnít want to pay but wants to keep the lease Why should they not be required to pay. If they want to break the lease we have to take into account the local laws regarding tenants that want to break leases. 

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For everybody who is saying that davening with a minyan these days you may kill somebody

Do you drive over the speed limit? Bc driving over the speed limit should have the same din

Even driving under the speed limit kills plenty, but there is heter of doing things that are normal in normal situations.

Otherwise we would be home all day all the time.
Driving 100 miles per hour on a highway is not normal, however most drivers can keep perfect control driving 75 where its 65. The government is known to put low speed limits so that most people will only go up to 10 miles per hour above that number, and if someone feels that driving at speed limit is to much for them, or texts while driving, its the same issue of סכנת נפשות.

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