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Just Shmooze / Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« on: May 22, 2019, 11:05:59 PM »
You are making a huge mistake. If He is correct that one should not vaccinate(I am not getting into the debate on if He is right or wrong) then it is not a chilul hashem no matter how much the public decries it.
The implication of your statement is that if he is not correct, then it is a chillul Hashem, no? ETA: Which, to be clear, I don't think is true.

Just Shmooze / Re: Riddles!
« on: May 21, 2019, 10:30:01 PM »
Took me a minute. I probably heard a similar question (ice to water), though I don't think that specific scenario.
There are a hundred quarters on a table, 40 heads and 60 tails. You must make 2 groups with all of the quarters with each group having the same amount of heads. You can't see which are heads or tails. How do you do it?
Grab a bunch (any number) (actually think it might have to be 40) off the top and flip them over. That's it.

Vsauce guy just did a video on this (his current channel is D!NG), only with a deck of cards.

Just Shmooze / Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« on: May 21, 2019, 04:17:51 PM »
It's very credible.  It's true.
In developed countries,  as a rule babies delivered in the third trimester live.  If there is time for a D&C, there is time for a delivery. If there is not, a c-section to deliver is no more traumatic to the mother that a c-section to abort.
That doesn't address the point at all. The baby can be non-viable, and cause a danger to the mother. The question then becomes which is safer, removing the baby via abortion or via delivery.

Just Shmooze / Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« on: May 21, 2019, 04:02:07 PM »
Just because it was done does not mean it was needed. When the mothers life is in danger in the 3rd trimester there are 2 options abortion and delivery, both would save the mothers life, but only one gives the baby a chance to live.
I feel confident saying you can't credibly make this assertion.

Just Shmooze / Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« on: May 21, 2019, 03:38:30 PM »
I thought we were talking about 2nd trimester too
If we're only talking about 3rd trimester, there is no medical reason in the world that requires a 3rd trimester abortion. Delivery yes, abortion no.
Your own source contradicts that assertion. Both 2018 and 2017 show one 3rd trimester abortion "due to a Life Endangering Physical Condition" (ie danger to the mother).

Just Shmooze / Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« on: May 21, 2019, 03:34:35 PM »
This is largely false as can be seen here from Florida where they track all abortions under by gestation reason
The three reports listed here, only state that there have been 4 recorded 3rd trimester abortions in the last 2+ years - all because of medical reasons?
I thought we were talking about 2nd trimester too
Late stage is not a very well defined term. The reality is that elective abortions probably drop off a cliff at the point where a medical abortion is no longer available, for the simple reason that you're electing surgery, which is a much more serious thing than taking medication.

Just Shmooze / Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« on: May 17, 2019, 11:45:00 AM »
Perhaps I don't follow you fully. Are you saying that without Torah there is no innate good or bad?
That is clearly wrong because before the giving of the Torah there was the Mabul which was a punishment for wrong.
Check out R. Nissam Goan's introduction to Shas printed in any Vilna Edition where he discusses this. See also Chovos Halvavos in his introduction.
This topic relates so I wouldn't consider it hijacking the thread.

 R' Nissam Goan writes that man was responsible for logical actions from the time he was placed on earth. Even before the giving of the Torah and before the 7 mitzvos bnei noach, man had a logical brain that he was expected to consult with. 

Take the case of Kayin who was held responsible for killing his brother Hevel. That was before Torah and before the 7 noahide laws. He should have known that murder is wrong.
You appear to be confusing the giving of the Torah to klal yisroel on har sinai with the creation/existence of the Torah. Since we know histakel b'oraysa ubara alma, the fact that pre-matan Torah there was a responsibility not to kill still has to come from the Torah. Ie the mechayev may not be the Torah, but the logic still stems from the Torah.

Just Shmooze / Re: Abortion = Murder?
« on: May 16, 2019, 11:41:33 PM »
Outlier or not, I think it would be a stretch to say that there's an 'accepted' set of psakim/halachos governing all abortion situations. As such, even if one feels that the correct hashkafa is for us as Jews to advocate for what we think is correct in the realm of abortions to be implemented as secular law, there may not be a consensus/accepted set of halachos on the subject to turn into law. These are things that are very much decided on a case by case basis in Judaism, and you're never going to be able to install a system of secular law that would emulate having poskei hador decide such matters.

Just Shmooze / Re: Thoughts on abortion, religion, and morality
« on: May 16, 2019, 03:02:24 PM »
...The viability argument isn't too sure-footed either. A 3-month-old baby would also die if they were left alone. A toddler would also die if no one would feed them. Some adult husbands would die if they weren't fed ;) . The fact that someone requires care doesn't mean that they don't have the right to exist.
Didn't read the rest yet, but that's not what viability means.
Quote from:
Viability, as the word has been used in United States constitutional law since Roe v. Wade, is the potential of the fetus to survive outside the uterus after birth, natural or induced, when supported by up-to-date medicine. Fetal viability depends largely on the fetal organ maturity, and environmental conditions.
ETA: That means it includes being fed. A fetus that's considered not viable won't survive no matter what (0% at 21 weeks or less). A baby, toddler, etc will all survive when cared for properly.

Just Shmooze / Re: Riddles!
« on: May 16, 2019, 02:08:53 PM »
...People "of a certain age" fail this, because they aren't around enough female doctors to think that way.
I'm not sure this is the reason. I think the way the question is framed plays a big role as well. There are 8 words in the riddle that are gender specific, and all refer to males.

Just Shmooze / Re: Riddles!
« on: May 16, 2019, 01:03:33 PM »
In a lake, there is a patch of lily pads.  Every day, the patch doubles in size.  If it takes 48 days for the patch to cover the entire lake, how many days would it have taken for the patch to cover a quarter of the lake?

Just Shmooze / Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« on: May 15, 2019, 11:18:19 PM »
The VIN article lists him as Dr Andrew Wakefield?
If your point is that VIN shouldn't have referred to him as such, I agree.

Just Shmooze / Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« on: May 15, 2019, 07:14:08 PM »
Why hasn't andrew Wakefield medical license been stripped?
As mentioned, it has been. But that doesn't curb his influence in those circles. Aderaba, he gets to claim martyrdom, that he was wrongly persecuted for his righteous crusade, or whatever nonsense they choose to spin it with.

Just Shmooze / Re: The funny/strange/interesting video thread...
« on: May 15, 2019, 10:45:21 AM »

I see on tapa it just takes you to the beginning of the video. There relevant bit starts at 18:04, a piece about Otisville.


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Coursest setting on my grinder.

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