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COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: September 11, 2020, 03:48:59 PM »
Thank you for laying out my pov.

Beards are very uncomfortable both physically and for many young men not able to adapt to it, yet if they trim or shave, various frum sects will basically treat you as evil.

Tzitzits is very uncomfortable In the summer.. yeah if you say that people will say well they make so many different types that are comfortable etc You're just being lazy.

Honestly, people who don't wear a mask are lazy.

The difference is, you're doing it at the expense of the community.

And yes they will kick out a married woman who has her hair uncovered because they will say "we can't daven with erva"

COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: September 11, 2020, 01:19:44 PM »
This is why there can never be an honest discussion. @chevron asked what's so hard about wearing a mask for 10 minutes in a store as if that was the only time anyone demands mask wearing. I called him out on it but you both chose to attack me instead.

The mask nuts demanding masks for the entire yamim noraim davening as if it's a 10 minute trip to the grocery are the only ones demanding masks in stores.

Yes, you pray in the same spot, you don't jump up and down, you don't go in and out of the shul etc..

Praying with a mask for 5 hours isn't a big deal

I just had a 2 hour MRI with a mask on and it wasn't the end of the world.

Wearing tights in a heat wave looks uncomfortable, I think rabbi's should drop that requirement

COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: September 11, 2020, 01:14:55 PM »
A couple more times saying the same thing will magically have everyone convinced.

No, we tried logic, it didn't work. We said it will take some korbanos, everyone forgot about the shortage of taleisim.

Nothing's gonna work anymore, I hope I'm wrong but otherwise, good luck. .

This will God forbid create the biggest judaic crisis of the 21st century if there's another outbreak.

When your kids ask about the 2020 coronavirus and want to know why no one wore a mask and why all the bubby's and zaidys died, what will you say ?

COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: September 11, 2020, 01:06:03 PM »
I'm going to wear a mask on Yamin noraim as is my entire minyan. It's not so complicated.

Same here, though there's an outdoor minyan I'm not sure if they require masks.

It's davening, the only reason someone doesn't want to wear a mask in shul is if it gets in the way of their talking to a friend, praying never is uncomfortable wearing a mask

COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: September 11, 2020, 01:01:02 PM »
So, all these people flying economy, all wearing masks mostly.. it works apparently or they would ban all air travel.

I just flew RT fll to lax, was fine, 5 hours with a mask.

I bet the lakewood chelmites would wear a mask if given the same fare I got (JetBlue RT fll to lax $51)

People are just baby's. They have this talmudic logic, they need to argue pointless pilpul because they can't otherwise justify their stupidity.

From a Jewish world which has a wardrobe that is entirely uncomfortable all in the name of modesty, and most people March to the tune sung by the leaders

But a mask in the name of public health, eh show me the data!! Show meeeee where does it say so in shulchan aruch!! The mechaber never once mentioned a mask!!

But if you don't wear a hat and jacket in 96 degrees, apikoresssss

I have glasses and live in frikking Miami, my glasses get fogged constantly.

Every store here requires a mask, I limit my in store visits anyways, personally if I order food, I eat in my car mostly though socially distance outdoor dining exists.

For the most part, the discussion isn't about wearing a mask when you walk in the street, it's about doing so indoors in a larger setting

It's also about doing most things outdoors so you can sd and not wear a mask

COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: September 11, 2020, 12:15:48 PM »
Agreed, but it is unreasonable to be expecting people to do their own research to go against "what everyone is doing". If anything what everyone is doing will override research. This is from the ABCs of persuasion.

What's uncomfortable?! Wearing a mask for 10 min while you shop?

COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: September 10, 2020, 10:22:20 PM »
Please post one scientific or medical source that claims masks are completely ineffective in reducing the spread of COVID-19 from an infected individual.

I don't understand how that's relevant.

Please post one substantiated scientific study that shows that masks actually increase the virus.

people were asked to do a small part to prevent the virus spread so that people don't die like flies.

No, I can't be arsed!! Don't bother me!!

COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: So shoot me
« on: September 10, 2020, 12:47:43 AM »
Here's what I don't understand When everything started going crazy there were a lot of decisions that were made.

So they started making all these hospitals and all that and they tell people to stay home and everything and now supposedly because they didn't use all these hospitals and because when people didn't die then all this whole stay-at-home order and all those whole hospitals were overreacting..

This is called cognitive dissonance.

I'm sorry that you people fail to see the bigger picture, it's why this world is in the shits.

And then I don't understand the people who shrugged everything off, overloaded the hospitals and blamed them.

Now I'm supposed to support widows and orphan's

I got a fundraiser request from chesed shel emes who has the bury so many bodies and all that

Hatzala used up their supplies and had a major fundraiser

But the sages of chelm assure us that everything is ok.

nobody here is calling for blanket shutdowns oh we are saying is be responsible.

But a mask makes you uncomfortable boohoo..

COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: September 09, 2020, 12:48:56 PM »
Wearing masks and social distancing also lower the viral load people get, making the infections themselves less harmful. Additionally, as time goes on, better treatments become available, lessening the death toll and possibly the long-term impacts. And then we get to the length of time that antibodies confer immunity. There is absolutely nothing that says 25k people who get it right now cannot or will not get it again in a year.

There are many arguments, #1 everyone getting it at once overwhelmed the healthcare system, most people just don't understand this.

Shutting the country down reduced hospitalizations from car crashes etc it actually helped free up resources. .

But the short answer is, wearing a mask enables us to resume normal life, his logic that everyone will get it is just disgusting, there are many people who want to get out but can't if people don't wear masks.

Furthermore, there's no indication that "everyone will get it" because there's a vaccine in the works. ..

COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: September 08, 2020, 11:40:51 PM »
Other posters have said at a minimum hundreds sick. Zero mortality. Near zero hospitalizations. Add in Monsey, BP, Queens, etc. and there are thousands of cases with a few hospitalized. Thatís very different than March.

You really do not have a handle on reality.

It's much different now because people are much more aware of the symptoms.

anybody who got it in February or March most likely assumed that they had the flu..

Hundreds getting sick in population of hundreds of thousands means nothing.

Sure, less die due to better treatment, drugs, earlier intervention.

You're playing Monday morning quarterback on a Saturday.

You have your logic, it has no basis in reality, you make wild guesses and assumptions. .

Yes people are dying,

COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: So shoot me
« on: September 08, 2020, 04:04:44 PM »
Changed your mind regarding what, your opinion re covid?

No I changed my mind about the whole post.   Haha it was a piece of work!

COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: Lakewood covid cases
« on: September 08, 2020, 03:09:27 PM »
There are many people who argue seatbelts are uncomfortable.

COVID-19 Discussion Board / Re: So shoot me
« on: September 08, 2020, 12:59:24 PM »
Agree with everything you said more or less. Just wondering, isn't the point of a mask for when you can't or likely can't social distance? That's where I see an issue. If the closest person is 100 feet away, WTH should I wear a mask? If I'm in a shul that safely provides 6ft between people and I know I will keep to it, so why should I have to wear a mask? Obviously if it's a shul that isn't social distancing, then that's a different story.

It's a bit of both. We discussed viral loads, i.e. if 100 people singing and 5 are infected, the viral load causes the other 95 to possibly be infected.

Hence masks, proper ventilation etc lower capacity and the like

COVID-19 Discussion Board / So shoot me
« on: September 08, 2020, 12:45:05 PM »
I changed my mind, but wear a mask

I don't know if there's any really clear answers.

And you think the idiots who are saying that everybody should go out and get it and we'll have herd immunity were any more accurate ?

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