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General Discussion / Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« on: April 04, 2019, 03:55:42 PM »
What the Yeshiva did was EXTREME.

What is extreme about suspending a bochur who goes against an explicit prohibition of the hanhola?

General Discussion / Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« on: April 04, 2019, 02:58:26 PM »
C' never disagreed with your yeshiva?

About something so fundamental? No. And if I did, I would do what I think is right, and accept whatever the consequences were.

Never banded together to do something? Thought if everyone is doing it...

If there were bochurim who went because everyone was going, not because they thought it was important (and my guess is that there probably were some), should pay a heavy price.

General Discussion / Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« on: April 04, 2019, 02:15:18 PM »
I think that if the yeshiva believes it was unproper for the bochurim to go, and the bochurim believe that they must go, everyone should be happy with the way things turned out. Bochurim (and certainly high school age) should not be in a yeshiva with such a different philosophy than their own.

General Discussion / Re: Thrown out of Yeshiva for?
« on: April 04, 2019, 12:52:08 AM »
That is financial suicide (unless they have backers with very deep pockets).

Suspended, not kicked out. (And the ones they do kick out are the boys they were looking to get rid of anyway)

Just Shmooze / Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« on: April 03, 2019, 10:06:44 AM »
It would be enforceable (or, more accurately, actionable) in one scenario: someone infected with measles enters a public park and G"f infects others, and is found to have not been vaccinated.

Or if a kid who is unvaccinated gets measles from someone else in a public place, the kids parents can be prosecuted


What’s the chances he’s telling the truth?

He's probably not making it up, but his definition of "damning" is probably very different than what it is for most people.

No, in a normal non profit, compensation is generally not tied to donations. The CEO is paid a direct salary, he doesn't decide what to take based on donations.

Shluchim get a salary (usually well below market rate), however when there isn't enough money, the first bill not to be paid is payroll.

Just Shmooze / Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
« on: March 28, 2019, 12:48:53 PM »
This is a WhatsApp forward.

I do not know who this "Yehuda" is or any other information.


I'm sure you've heard of the song Adamah V'shamayim, an often-requested song. Some people know and understand the lyrics, most don't. But 99.9% of our community doesn't know the song's origin. So here goes, working backward:

Before Motti Weiss (aka Matt Dubb) recorded the song, it was recorded and popularized by a Buddhist-style Israeli group by the name of Segol (see here). Little detail is given by Segol that the song is originally in English.

The original song is "Strong Wind, Deep Water" (the original lyrics and the source can be found here and below). It's a song by an earth-worshiping pagan cult, translated into Hebrew, almost word for word, for the Segol group. A Google search will show many results confirming that the song is of pagan (i.e. Avodah Zarah) origins.

I appreciate that this is not intuitive information, the lyrics are subtle. But the fact is that a song by earth-worshippers describing earth worship has crept into our community, and we're now dancing at our simchas (!) to an Avodah Zarah song (literally). If rabbonim knew the above about this song, many might say that one is not allowed to say the bracha "Shehasimcha Bim'ono" at a chasunah where the song is played.

Ever since I researched this song, I've been asked by multiple ba'alei simcha to play it. After giving a short and concise background of the song, the response is absolutely unanimous - both from Chossn & Kalah couples and from bar mitzvah parents: "OMG I didn't know, yeah let's not play that song". Since spreading this info on a social media group for Jewish musicians, there have been a few responses: Some respond with unfortunate leitzanus, and others respond with indifference. Yet many musicians have thanked me for the info and said they would not be playing the song. One artist reached out to me privately to let me know that he's not including the song on his upcoming cover album, as he originally intended. Another artist to whom I reached out regarding this song also decided to not include it in his recently-released cover album.

I would strongly urge you to consider whether or not you should play the song in the future. We wouldn't sing about Gilui Arayos of Shfichus Damim at our heiligeh simchas...singing a song of Avodah Zarah should be no exception. B"H we have many great and leibedik songs to choose from without an Avodah Zarah chant.


P.S. The reason I researched the song, to begin with, is two-fold: 1) The tune (with the repetitive A and B section) has the sound and structure of a classic far-eastern or pre-American chant, and 2) the lyrics convey a spiritual feeling of experiencing nature as an end to itself, rather than experiencing G-d through nature. It sounded extremely foreign and strange to me, not something written by a Jew, let alone a frum Jew.

Strong wind, Deep water; Tall trees, Warm fire
I can feel it in my body; I can feel it in my soul
Heya heya heya heya heya heya ho
Heya heya, heya heya, heya heya heya ho

Strong wind, Deep water; Pure Earth, Warm fire
Soft breeze, Vast Ocean; Bright Sun, Grand Mountain
Sweet kiss, Long River; Earth Live forever

Printed here (with Matt Dubb in the comments)

Just Shmooze / Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« on: March 27, 2019, 11:07:12 PM »
Never declare personal bankruptcy.


Just Shmooze / Re: "Insert some cliché Purim Joke"
« on: March 20, 2019, 04:55:59 PM »

(Seems the old threads were never reused year to year)

Unlike shalach manos

Just Shmooze / Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« on: March 18, 2019, 04:37:21 PM »
Here ya go:

Competing with the interesting article thread for the most split?

General Discussion / Re: Dating Spots Master Thread
« on: March 14, 2019, 08:33:38 PM »
Maybe asking 4 a friend

Why didn't your friend ask himself, and say that he is asking for a friend?

Just Shmooze / Re: Daylight "Saving" Time - Pro or Con
« on: March 11, 2019, 11:37:27 PM »
Wouldn't a better solution for schools be to start an hour later, rather than have everyone change the clock?

Just Shmooze / Re: 2019 Israeli election
« on: March 11, 2019, 12:21:24 AM »
serious question, what is his platform besides legalized weed?

Hey, is עלה ירוק still around? That was their platform for years

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