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Just Shmooze / Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« on: September 26, 2018, 02:46:22 PM »
Against a simple gemara with no explanation?
I'll pass
Pretty sure he didn't really have much support with these psakim...
You have guts to speak like that about such a tzadik

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Just Shmooze / Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« on: September 26, 2018, 02:44:13 PM »
The mishna berura paskens to make 2 brochos on tefillin, 1 for shel yad and 1 for shel rosh. The mishna berura himself only made on the shel yad...
Yiddishkeit is rich!

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Just Shmooze / Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« on: September 26, 2018, 02:31:10 PM »
Yes this, this is what I have a problem with.
Before the lesheiv.
This is where you have to believe that he was at least as smart as you, and knew halacha at least as much as you, and still did it.
Yiddishkeit is rich!

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Just Shmooze / Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« on: September 26, 2018, 02:19:56 PM »
Rain is siman klalah? In which universe?
On the onset of sukkos, yes.
Milky way.
Shu"a harav 114:1 says it's a siman klalah all days of sukkos, and that's why we only ask for rain on shmini atzeres
The same alter rebbe himself like all tzadikim following the baal shem tov) ate in a sukka when it rained AND made a bracha leisheiv basuka (gasp)

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Just Shmooze / Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« on: September 26, 2018, 01:58:02 PM »
As well as the fact that it's nikrah hedyot to sit in the sukka when you aren't chayv/when it isn't a sukka. If there is no mitzvah how are you showing chavivos by doing it.
Been discussed up thread on a yearly basis,  ayin shom ba'arucha.
Also in numerous poskim and shuti"m.

To me it's like shaking a lulav all year (aside from Baal tosif)
There's an established criticism against chabad for not caring about Baal tosif

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Just Shmooze / Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« on: September 26, 2018, 01:21:01 PM »
Anyone know why? Is it just rain? Or will they eat there under any other mitztayer situation?
Been discussed up thread on a yearly basis,  ayin shom ba'arucha. @churnbabychurn will tell us what level of avoda zara it is

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Just Shmooze / Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« on: September 26, 2018, 12:52:42 PM »
I never slammed any minhag. You and others seem to need to respond overly aggressively to litterally anything...

Either way, I am actually not saying that the Shar hatzion applies to kosher min of haddasim that happen to be shotim.. but if someone asked if there are "any" veiws that there is a chashas basl tosif, yes there are plenty of reshonim and achronim who express concern, especially and primarily when the extra hadasim are not kosher..
1. Which shar hatzioyon?
2. Many rishonim and achronim hold many things, and SHULCHAN ARUCH along with POSKIM (nosei keilim, s"a harav, mishna berura etc) are the ones that PASKEN halacha. They were not too concerned....
Just to put things in perspective: the Ravad held that it's okay to say that hashem has a body....
3. Study a bit of Jewish literature, specifically on the subject of "minhag", and it's holiness.
4. Siddur mahari kopel and shu"t avnei tzedek discuss taking 9 hadasim, the Kolbo writes about 68/69 hadasim!!!!!

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Just Shmooze / Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« on: September 26, 2018, 12:29:08 PM »
Did conveniently not include the Shar hatzion 15 on purpose?
No. Was using online version which didn't have it. Will check soon.
My point is to stop slamming minhagim just because they are done by chabad.
ETA: which Shar hatzion?

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Just Shmooze / Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« on: September 26, 2018, 03:36:40 AM »
ערוך השלחן תרנא, ב
על ההדסים והערבות יכול להוסיף כמה שירצה. דאילו היה כתיב ''שלושה'' ו''שתים'' מפורש לא היה אפשר להוסיף. אבל השתא דלא כתיב מפורש, אלא לשון ריבוי יכול להוסיף. וכך היו נוהגים הקדמונים משום נוי /right]

רמב"ם
 ואם רצה להוסיף בהדסים כדי שתהיה אגודה גדולה מוסיף, ונוי מצוה הוא 

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Just Shmooze / Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« on: September 26, 2018, 03:33:38 AM »
Found a bunch ... IF they are not all kosher.

Do you make a tnaiy that you only intend to use the kosher ones for the mitzvah and the rest should be considered like nothing?
Mechaber 651:15 - one may add to the arovos and hadasim, but the "medakdkim" do not add.
MB 651:59 explains that the torah clearly writes a plural language by them, implying that we may add
Biur Halacha explains that the medakdkim are worried about arovos because of the rambam holding its assur, but hadasim should not be a problem. He says maybe al pi sod there's somethibg, but halacikaly it's perfectly fine.

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Just Shmooze / Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« on: September 23, 2018, 04:56:55 PM »
Why can't we have the thread closed for a little?
We're actually gonna close for 48 hours

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Just Shmooze / Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« on: September 23, 2018, 02:44:59 PM »
So to summarize:
A big part of klal yisroel says tehilim after davening  as quoted above with many sources. However, each "sect" is different :
Chabad = Kefira
Belz, bobov and satmar = influenced by chabad
BMG = exception
Rav chaim kanievski = ?
Mishna berura (with a kadish!!) = ?

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Just Shmooze / Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« on: September 23, 2018, 02:29:01 PM »
I don't accept your equation of Chabad and the MB
They both doing the same tehilim Kefira

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Just Shmooze / Re: Yom Kippur Davening
« on: September 23, 2018, 01:51:21 PM »
Oops, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned the Tehillim part. Is it bordering on Kefira to say the whole Tehillim on the night of YK? Is there widespread criticism of the practice which I'm not aware of?
Is Yom kippur mechaper the saying of tehilim on Yom kippur?

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Just Shmooze / Re: Chabad Minhagim: Pros & Cons
« on: September 23, 2018, 01:49:34 PM »
6-36 haddassim - chabad.
Pro or con?
@churnbabychurn - can you find a poisek who says it's Baal toisif?
Lol, it doesn't work like that. If chabad does it - it's wrong. They need to find a poisek to back them and then we'll just say something about it being a goyishe minhag, bashing the poisek

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