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Up In The Air / Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« on: November 18, 2018, 09:02:34 PM »
Another point which can be argued, if we are responsible for the chilul shabbos for other secular Jews, maybe it would have been better to fly to TLV and avoid the chilul shabbos from additional take off and landing. שב ואל תעשה.
Maybe you can argue that a plane on auto pilot cruising 35000 ft is not really chilul shabbos as the pilots normally don't do much, unless it's an emergency.
Elal can even arrange to have a non Jewish pilot take over right after it lands taking it to the gate.
Just asking for the sake of limud.
a person is not obligated to try to lessen the חילול שבת of a מחלל שבת במזיד as long as heís not doing it for you. PM me if you want sources for this.

Up In The Air / Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« on: November 18, 2018, 08:59:42 PM »
I guess waiting on the plane is probably easier halachically than waiting in the airport.  Regarding בכדי שיעשו, I think they would only had to wait whatever they flew in shabbos which is probably just an hour.
You can argue here that the pilot is a mechalel shabbos for himself, as he will anyway do it. Why are a lot of people in Israel not so makpid on the use of electric on shabbos which I think it is more chilul shabbos involved and done more frequently as a one time emergency.
I am quite positive that whatever elal will have to pay for the fine it's still a fraction of what it cost them the past week.
As you quoted Reb Moshe, was that a לכתחילה לצורך חולה meaning the person knew before reserving that he will arrive on shabbos but due to צורך חולה it was OK or was it a combination delay and a צורך חולה?
Again I am not a Rav. Also we are not talking here לכתחילה as it would be costly for elal to have to prepare food and other logistics through shabbos, plus they won't be able to prepare the aircraft for the moitzai shabbos flight and it will have to be delayed for a few hours.
The only heter for using electricity in Israel on shabbos is because they are doing it for חולים and cases of פיקוח נפש. Not the fact they are doing it anyway. If only your building was cut off and the electric company came to fix it on shabbos, לכולי עלמא you couldnít use it or enjoy it.
Iím not sure the exact amount of the fine. I definitely know the contract was made so it should never be worthwhile for them to fly on shabbos. (Otherwise they wouldíve continued to TLV. They donít love us so much to put everyone up in ATH just for PR)
The psak from Rí Moshe was for someone whoís father was sick in South Africa and he was needed there to help. Rí Moshe allowed him to board a Friday flight, arriving shabbos, in order for him to be available immediately after.
Your example from the boat doesnít have to go back 2000 years. Any of our ancestors who came from Europe traveled more then a week by boat.
I suggest we keep halachic discussions low if we donít want mods to get upset.😉

Up In The Air / Re: El al flight arriving close to Shabbos - again
« on: November 18, 2018, 07:30:10 PM »
I am not a Rav and I can't pasken.
But I do have a question which i wonna understand.

There is an halacha about traveling on a boat shabbos and when to embark and what to do if it's arriving on shabbos.
Now,  you can argue that a plane is similar to a boat, since there is no extra work done per passenger,  and that that the pilot is a Jew,  it's definitely not a de'orisa since he is anyway mechalel shabbos for himself,  and I can argue that it's even less problematic then using electric in Israel for shabbos as the workers are doing it for the Jewish people,  but flying a plane is the same work as for 1 person as for 300 people.
Now if someone is on a plane which was scheduled to arrive 3 hours before shabbos, you can argue it's equivalent as embarking on a ship on Wednesday 2000 years ago,  which was clearly allowed.
It would be much easier and more cost effective for elal to have a plane in such a situation as this week to land in Israel and park by the gate and let the passengers spend the shabbos on the plane,  as leaving the plane will be a problem with Techum.
They can even have a rav and food brought from the airport since for someone who is erev shabbos at the airport is allowed to enter the plane.
Again this is in case of emergency.
Again I am not a Rav,  just for curiosity it's interesting having the discussion and maybe some Talmud chacham can contribute to it.
All true if the pilot and majority of the passengers hadnít been Jewish. Now that they are, you cannot allow a Jew (or non Jew, if most passengers are Jewish) to do a melacha for you or enjoy it after he did it, even if he was doing it anyway.
Iím not a rav either, but had the pilot flown into shabbos, there may be a problem leaving the airport till Sunday afternoon (כדי שיעשו) in order not to benefit from the חילול שבת. (Besides the fact that ElAl canít fly on shabbos even if they wanted to, due to a signed contract with a very large fine if they break it)
There actually was a case where r moshe ZtĒl allowed someone to fly on a non Jewish airline arriving on shabbos and stay in the airport till after shabbos. (Was for a חולה but not פיקוח נפש.)

Up In The Air / Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
« on: November 14, 2018, 07:46:32 PM »

They are adding MAD-CMN:

UX1113 MAD 23: 25-00: 15 CMN 1--4567
UX1112 CMN 02: 15-04: 50 MAD 12--567
True. IINM Israel and Morocco donít have any official diplomatic relations.

Up In The Air / Re: Flying Blue Promo Awards
« on: November 14, 2018, 08:34:15 AM »

Up In The Air / Re: Flying Blue Promo Awards
« on: November 14, 2018, 01:41:54 AM »
fly between anywhere in europe to YYZ  RT for 70k In business
fly between anywhere in europe  to NYC  RT for 28k in economy
not working for TLV😢

Up In The Air / Re: Norwegian Air
« on: November 11, 2018, 03:05:38 PM »
Did you check with Norwegian after you booked? what it says on Expedia means nothing.
checked on Norwegian

Up In The Air / Re: Norwegian Air
« on: November 11, 2018, 10:54:01 AM »
Total for each way, compare it yourself on Expedia.
I tried it last week on Expedia. Gave me 0 bags.

Up In The Air / Re: Random airline-questions.
« on: November 01, 2018, 11:19:54 PM »
Made a mistake on a Alitalia booking to the US however since the ticket was booked from the Israeli site the the airline does not want to honor the 24 hour cancellation policy instead they told me I have 14 days to cancel the ticket and the cancellation fee is 100 shekal per ticket. Is their anyway around this?

Do they have to honor the policy? Can I file a claim via the DOT and get my money back?
had the same issue with EL AL. They claimed since I used the Israeli website, Iím not eligible for 24hr cancellation. Filed a DOT, and they refunded me a few days later.

Not sure about US-TLV. But TLV-US was usually cheapest around the beginning of May. Iíve been monitoring summer tickets for a few years, and thatís when it seems to be cheapest.

Up In The Air / Re: Flying Blue award availability
« on: October 18, 2018, 02:36:32 PM »
Not sure what you mean, or what route you want.
Is anything available over the phone that doesnít come up online? Looking for direct TLV-JFK

Up In The Air / Re: Infant Travel
« on: October 17, 2018, 10:25:45 PM »
I have a RT paid ticket and expect to have an infant for the return iyĒh. Flight is on Brussels Airlines, ticketed by United. Who do I call to add the infant, and how do they price the ticket? Thanks in advance for any advice.

Up In The Air / Re: Flying Blue award availability
« on: October 17, 2018, 09:55:03 PM »
Any delta direct flights from TLV come up on flying blue? I see wide open saver availability on delta for after pesach.

Up In The Air / Re: Flying Blue award availability
« on: October 17, 2018, 07:43:52 AM »
This has been happening quite often lately.
did anything change regarding the miles required for a flight? TLV-MIA says starting from 22k, TLV-JFK 25k and TLV-ATL for 29k. Was it always like this?

Up In The Air / Re: Airline Compensation Master Thread
« on: October 14, 2018, 11:27:42 AM »
You need to arrive at least 3 hours late to your destination.
4 hours for intercontinental flights

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