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Up In The Air / Re: Airline Compensation Master Thread
« on: April 15, 2019, 07:11:33 PM »
Is "hell no" and acceptable answer?
Hell ye!

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Just Shmooze / Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« on: April 15, 2019, 06:52:25 PM »

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Just Shmooze / Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« on: April 15, 2019, 06:35:38 PM »

looks nuts, but the quality is pretty bad, can you upload on a hosting site?

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Up In The Air / Re: Airline Compensation Master Thread
« on: April 15, 2019, 06:18:35 PM »
Somethings just don't come across the same way in writing. IND DO?
Lakewood DO? :) :)

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Just Shmooze / Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« on: April 15, 2019, 05:52:55 PM »
The more tyrannical rabbonim become the more likely it is that people stop listening to those rabbonim.
And other Rabanim. If they mess themselves over, great. But when they start destroying the respect for the deserving Rabanim, we are screwed.

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Just Shmooze / Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« on: April 15, 2019, 05:32:38 PM »
I can't confirm it's true, but in the recording he mentions that some rabanim who came out against it told him it's still a good thing even tho they caved to the pressure and signed.
This if true is the most disturbing part of the ordeal.

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Just Shmooze / Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« on: April 15, 2019, 05:04:00 PM »
There's a audio clip of a phone call going around on WhatsApp between one of the organizers and one of the destructors (for lack of better word)..
It'll shed alot of of light on the situation..

what's the best way to upload it?
Not sure that's easily doable. But I'm not so sure that should be publicized on such a platform.

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Just Shmooze / Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« on: April 15, 2019, 04:44:50 PM »


Are any askanim trying to help out the bachrim...?
No.

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Just Shmooze / Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« on: April 15, 2019, 03:47:28 PM »
Even if someone explicitly approved it beforehand, if it wasn't made public before the event (due to a lack of foresight or naiveté), I doubt it will be made public now.
So another planning oversight?
It WAS made public to those bored souls who met with the organizers asking them to shut it down, as well as with the other Rabanim involved.  They all knew what was on the table.

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Just Shmooze / Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« on: April 15, 2019, 03:46:13 PM »
So the answer to thisis no?
You could have just said that without all the beating around the bush.
No. He did approve it OTR, among others whom took it back once there were threats against the organizer for; Kol Koreis against them, guarantees that they'll never get a job, or that their kids won't get in to schools.
I think focusing on how approved it was before, or if it was planned right is the real bush we're beating around.

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Just Shmooze / Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« on: April 15, 2019, 03:28:45 PM »
Source?
Speaking does not mean done in consultation with or even that he knew what it was all about. It is most likely that he did, but it still doesn't replace a full-fledged "under the guidance of"

(FTR, there is nothing I have heard about this event which disturbs me and have no clue what the opposition to it was for. I don't know much about it at all other than what is posted here. I only see some poor planning)
Nothing public so I can't help you anymore.

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Just Shmooze / Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« on: April 15, 2019, 03:17:23 PM »
You sound bitter about something
You sound oblivious about somethings.

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Just Shmooze / Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« on: April 15, 2019, 02:41:33 PM »
Was anyone on the record as approving it? Once there is someone on the record it becomes much more difficult for the event to get canceled. If no one is ready to go on the record as supporting it then you know that it will be canceled at the end.
Reb mendel Slomowitz was officially speaking there, he owned up to it. That's pretty much on the record.

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Just Shmooze / Re: Lakewood Forest Fire
« on: April 15, 2019, 01:58:37 PM »
Ahhh so it was based on assuming they would approve without actually discussing it first. Also known as lack of planning.
There are a few sets of people who play a role here.
Rabanim who approved and were involved.
Rabanim who knew nothing of it, or said nothing of it.
Bored people who attempted to persuade A and B to shut it down. Whom with some they succeeded, some they didn't.
The ones responsible for shutting it down didn't have an opinion in the first place, while other prominent Rabanim approved.

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