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Re: Silent Killer Something conspicuously missing from all the Covid-19 coverage is the effect on the addiction and recovery communities. For addicts, the fear is just another reason to use, and every drug transaction or interaction is making sure they all get infected. I'm pretty sure the immunocompromisation rate in that world is staggering. For those in recovery, meetings are cancelled. Stress and triggers are everywhere. Religious mentors, sponsors, and sober friends aren't readily available. Overdose percentages go up for a relapse versus regular use. Between the overdoses and virus fatalities, the death rate in these vulnerable communities will make senior citizens feel safe.

Please, please, please - if you know someone who deals with addiction, whether active or in recovery, reach out and make sure they are ok.

March 20, 2020, 01:36:27 AM
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Re: What are you looking to buy once this is all over?
this. now just need to figure out where.

Is this outbreak making you rethink what you thought you wanted in house? Both in the house's amenities and in the location?

March 22, 2020, 12:56:28 PM
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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
“Presumably “. You don’t have the facts straight. As I said they’re only gonna test you if you have fever/shortness of breath.

You are saying that:

A) you know many people have it, and that the 90% number given for KJ is accurate for KJ, CH, BP, and other tri-state Frum communities.

B) the reason the numbers of confirmed cases are so low is because they are only testing people with more blatant symptoms.

What @aygart is telling you is that of those people in B who are getting tested because of blatant symptoms, only 10% are testing positive. So it stands to reason that those with less blatant symptoms would not be more likely to test positive. Ergo, the 90% number you threw out there is the grossly exaggerated, per the numbers currently available to us.

As an aside, I've been told by a doctor at Johns Hopkins who's been working with covid-19 patients for months in the US and Italy, that the tests to date are only 50-60% accurate, with many, many false negatives.

March 25, 2020, 11:48:46 AM
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
here is a post with multiple people on here calling rabonim murderes. https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=114911.0

If that is our response to Daas Torah then what do you want the Non-Jews response to be?!?!?!?! This anti-semitic post is dispicable but it comes no where close to the hate that was on DDF against Daas Torah!

I personally think there's a huge difference between taking our leaders to task for their slow response over the last 2-4 weeks, and spewing anti-Semitic tropes about an entire community, especially when the fact is over 95% of that community is currently adhering to local and federal regulations.

March 26, 2020, 02:42:24 PM
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Re: Corona virus and your shull First of all, to say everyone on this thread is doing all they can in they can in the effort to advance social distancing is garbage, considering how many people have organized or joined minyanim in the last few days.

Second, @chevron made clear that his opinion is that information coming to and from Reb Chaim is being controlled by his inner circle. He also believes that coming out against minyanim today, when 2 weeks ago strong statements were made against c"v shutting schools, yeshivos, and shuls, is tantamount to shutting the barn door after the horses are running away. It's not the Rov who's being criticized, it's the information flow. You cannot rationally argue that the announcement to keep the status quo 2 weeks ago didn't have extreme repercussions.

I understand Kavod HaTorah and talking appropriately about Rabbonim and Gedolei HaDor. It's time we listened to the Torah and actually listen to doctors about what we should do, instead of waiting for Daas Torah to come out and say something. There are countless (hundreds) of letters from the Lubavitcher Rebbe, telling people that God gave the doctors the ability to heal, and it is our responsibility to listen to them. You shouldn't have to wait for your Rov to tell you to wash your hands.

March 29, 2020, 12:47:06 PM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
Any past president would have listened to the experts and acted. Just like many states are listening to the experts and acting.

Sorry, I should have been clearer. Can you point to an actual, named politician, who is currently handling this properly?

March 30, 2020, 05:38:26 PM
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Re: When is this country going to be back to normal? I've actually been thinking about this a lot over the last 2 weeks. What does my world look like when this is over? How much changes, both in the way the world itself operates and in the way I approach life? Do I rethink some choices I've already made? Where I live, how I live, what I want, what I think I need? Is my career path what I really want to be doing? Does it provide short or long term stability is this new world? Is it even still viable in our new economy? How do I want to interact with my community going forward? How involved do I want to be? Do I respect them more or less for their reaction and response to this crises? What about my friends? Who was there for me and my family? Who took this seriously and who put others at risk? How much do I trust my government to look out for me and protect me the next time a crisis hits? Do I need to find other ways to get informed on what is going on in the world? These, and a million other questions.... I only have partial answers, and even those may change before this is over.
March 31, 2020, 09:13:31 AM
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
Very true .
But has zero relevance to the subject at hand .

When a Rebbe says the reason people are dying is because they closed the schools and shuls, then he is literally playing with lives. And when people call him out on it, and others shout them down because how dare they disagree with Daas Torah and Tzaddikim, then it's relevant.

March 31, 2020, 10:00:05 AM
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
You took a poll ?
 Who said its 99.99 % ?
Every Frum Yid who disagrees with you
is from the .01 % and you are from the 99.99% ??
You sound very arrogant.
I hope it’s just from being locked up .

I'm going to keep on engaging you, because I hope the longer I keep you online, the less time you have to be putting people's lives at risk.

How many Rabbonim do you know that are currently advocating to disregard the medical consensus and open schools and shuls?

March 31, 2020, 10:29:20 AM
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
I asked my doctor the same question and unfortunately there are not any solid answers. So the question you need to ask yourself and that many of us who have BH recovered are asking is this - how much risk do I want to bear if this can be G-d forbid contracted again.

+1

Spoke to a doctor from Johns Hopkins earlier this week. He has a team that has been in Italy for the last few months. His advice was even if you've had it already, go nowhere and do nothing. He has doctors who tested positive, went through a full 14 day quarantine, presented post-quarantine with zero symptoms and still tested positive. They don't know enough about this virus regarding re-infection, symptoms reoccurring, or the contagion levels for post-symptomatic patients.

The way I'm looking at it: how much risk am I comfortable with before I put my own or someone else's life at risk? What's the magic number? 5%? 1%? .01%? To me, there is no number. I understand that there are many things in life that can kill, and we can't live in a box for the rest of our lives. But in order to give the science/medical community a few months to get some footing and be able to give some clarity, I'm willing to lock down and not take unnecessary risks. I'd rather look back at this time as a time in which I overreacted, went a little crazy, and maybe missed out on celebrating simchos in their usual ways, rather than a time where I took a small unnecessary risk and put someone in danger or worse.

March 31, 2020, 05:09:19 PM
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
As usual late to the party. I am in a very different boat - my 3 kids  in 12th, 10th, and 6th grade have close to a full day of school online every day. Both of my kids schools also have 'extra-curricular' online events ranging from things like - 'cooking with the morahs' to bringing in physical and mental health professionals to talk about Corona, parenting, etc. As well as shiurim.

Clearly this is by design - obviously to keep families engaged and make them feel that they're connected. Both schools have both reached out via e-mail (and the elementary school by phone) to see how we were doing and to let us know that they would help us if we became financially strapped and couldn't make payments.

I have a feeling that if every school was doing this, we'd be having a very different conversation. Kudos to your schools!

April 01, 2020, 02:40:49 PM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
On the other hand, the way it was reported at the time was that all of the experts were playing it down. Maybe he listened to the experts too much?

The one thing missing from all these speculations is direct contact. The administration has open lines of communication with China, as well as innumerable back channel connections. Do you really think Trump says the things he says in Dec, Jan, and Feb unless he's getting info from China telling him that it's just a flu, or that they have it under control? To Trump's mind, why would China lie? China is trying to usurp the US as the undisputed leader of the world. Yes, this may kill 1 million Americans and cripple the US economy, but it would also make China the world's most hated country for letting this spread globally and causing tens, if not hundreds, of millions of deaths.

The real question is, why did China lie? What's the benefit? What's the end-game?

April 02, 2020, 10:26:29 AM
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Re: COVID-19 consequenses to China Massive sanctions and tariffs by every country on earth. China's power comes from their exports. Hit em where it hurts. Make them as relevant as the Philippines.
April 02, 2020, 10:42:18 AM
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Re: COVID-19 consequenses to China
Is everyone prepared for the high prices that come along with that? That is what happened with the Trump tariffs. Tariffs are not paid by the producers but by the customers.

It depends on how much the global community wants to make China pay. I think we'll be seeing a big push to nationalize certain manufacturing industries in order to get this kickstarted.

April 02, 2020, 10:53:36 AM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
I think much of the complacency within our community resulted from people like this.

I think many of the issues in our country are because people in general listen to talking heads like this one too much. That goes for all sides of the spectrum.

April 02, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
The sad thing is they were most likely right about it being propaganda to the media.

If you want to argue that this was a case of "even a stopped clock is right twice a day," and this time they happened to have been right, I can accept that. But does anyone here believe that had Trump been taking it seriously and been all gung-ho about fighting it these very same media would not have been the ones downplaying it and accusing him of overreacting?

I think it was a no-win for Trump (or any leader).

If you take extreme measures right away and minimize the death toll, you over-reacted. "We would have beaten this thing anyway because our healthcare system, or (insert other country) only got it bad because they did x wrong, or ...(insert excuse here). Now our economy is a mess. This guy isn't fit to lead. He's too reactionary."

If you don't react quick enough, you're an idiot who either listens to his advisers too much or not enough, you're a murderer with blood on your hands, you're the reason for all bad things, you're not fit to lead because (insert accusation here).

There is no happy ending for anyone here. You will always be second-guessed while you're acting, and judged after the fact by everyone wearing 20/20 hindsight glasses.

April 02, 2020, 02:01:22 PM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
Right, which is why it helps to have a leader that cares more about keeping people alive than good approval ratings. Alas, such people are hard to come by.

Which is why I'm still waiting for an answer to this...

Can anyone show me a politician who has handled this properly, in a way that didn't cost any lives? I don't know why we keep pointing fingers, as if anyone else did it (or is doing it) right.

April 02, 2020, 03:11:06 PM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
Trump looked at this as just the flu, 15 will be 0, it will blow over, a D hoax and the list goes on. This was into late February. Everyone on FOX made fun of this. FOX is where he gets his info from. R's made fun of it on the house floor. Now everyone wants to rewrite history.

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I agree with you about a lot of people on here drinking the Kool-Aid. But when you spew things like this, you're drinking the same drink, just different flavor.

April 02, 2020, 04:35:44 PM
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Re: RIP/BDE Master Thread - COVID-19 related
Bde. I googled him to find out more about him and saw this now deleted

WATCH: Dr. Ditchek Says Assaulted At Sasregen Shul In Flatbush For Telling ...
8 days ago · NEW YORK (VINnews) — As the number of people in our communities on respirators continues to rise, some Shuls ...


Unfortunately @chevron may have a field day, and might actually be right.

Keep in mind that being right doesn't negate how Judaism regards talking about those who are no longer with us...

April 02, 2020, 10:36:39 PM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
You just spun it into what you wanted. You ask to name one and I did. The point is SK has done a better job than the US. 
We are on the same trajectory as Italy which has failed.
They are talking about 100k to 240k deaths and you act like no one could do better.

This is the same logic that got us this idiot in the first. Just listen to him speak. He is clueless with what is going on. He claimed today that a scarf is as good or better than a mask. How can you possibly think anyone with a once of common sense could not do better.

For the record, I think that projection is low, which should underscore how serious I think this is. That being said, you gave me a virtual island with powers over their people that cannot be enacted here, both legally and realistically. Are you suggesting that having anyone else as president would allow us to enforce South Korea's measures?

Btw, we're not just on the same trajectory as Italy. We're on the same road as most of Europe. If Trump is such a failure and literally anyone else could do a better job, why aren't they?

April 02, 2020, 11:13:14 PM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
Doesn't Israel have a .5% fatality rate? The same says as Australia?

Israel had 10 fatalities today. Their mortality rate is rising, and the hospitals are petrified about what will happen when the cases start rolling in from Bnei Brak.

Australia has handled this exceptionally well. They started screening passengers from China on Jan 23, which means they started taking this seriously before the WHO. I can only speculate, but it appears the high volume of travel they get from China had them on alert before (most) anyone else.

My point isn't that Trump is doing a good job; it's that there aren't really too many examples of other people or countries doing it better. There are few blunders that were made exclusively by this administration. To me, that takes a lot of bite out of the postmortem dissection that is coming on how they handled this.

April 03, 2020, 12:17:32 AM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
Do you need help with this one? @Lurker

Nope, very simple. The answer is because they are politicians. It's the same reason D's keep trying to make this Trump's fault. It's what they do.

Here's my challenge to you: name me a US politician you think would be doing a better job than Trump *based on actual work they are doing now to combat covid-19*. I'm not partisan, can be either D or R.

April 03, 2020, 09:48:49 AM
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/04/asia/taiwan-coronavirus-response-who-intl-hnk/index.html

This can also get filed under "things that will change" when this is all over. I think we'll see a push for both an independent US based monitor for global health issues, as well as a readiness team with stockpiles of supplies and plans of action.

April 05, 2020, 12:51:24 AM
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Re: Coronavirus Stimulus Aid Package
No. If you were making less than this, getting laid off and going on unemployment is a better deal than keeping your job.

Unless you care about having a job in 6 months from now.

April 05, 2020, 02:18:12 AM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder? This is going to be my last post on this subject, primarily because I enjoy reading @CountValentine's post on other threads, and I don't want this thread to ruin that.

No one claims Trump hasn't made blunders. In fact, to call them just blunders and not colossal f ups does a disservice to the gravity of his errors. The thing is, there are no winners here. Not from the Democrats, the Republicans, or any politician in any country. To keep pointing at Trump's f ups as if he alone is the cause of pain, suffering, and death, or even as if he is more to blame than any of the countless other leaders and doctors who downplayed this over these last few months, shows an unhealthy obsession with one man's stupidity and an unrealistic worldview.

In answer to the question posed as the topic to this thread, yes, the truth will come out about every single f up. It will also come out about every other country on earth, as well as organizations tasked with keeping us safe, such as the WHO and their ilk. In the big picture, since we have no one else to point to, to ask, "Why didn't you handle it like they did," this administration will largely get a pass. Will we blame them? Yes. Will we be pissed? Yes. Will we elect someone else to run things because we feel they would have handled it better? Maybe, but I don't think so.

I think the biggest realization to come out of all this, will be as it says in Tehillim, chapter 146. "Do not trust in princes, in the son of man, who has no salvation. His spirit leaves, he returns to his soil; on that day, his thoughts are lost."

April 05, 2020, 10:45:23 AM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
Sort of surprised to the answers so far. No one feels that even when things are in short supply you should not show compassion?

We're the Titanic and we're going down without enough life boats. Do we send some life boats to the other ship that also might need them? We did this already once by selling masks for $2/pc in Feb, and there's not one person saying that was the right move in retrospect. If we send out life-saving equipment today, and it costs US lives tomorrow, it will be inexcusable.

April 06, 2020, 09:58:15 AM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
Would you give your life vest to a child you did not know or was from a different country? Should states not send ventilators to NYC because they might need them later on?

I am not saying you are wrong just not the answers I expected especially on this forum.

Let's start with the child example. We're not talking about children. We're talking adults to adults. Just because they're Canadian doesn't mean they're somehow less self-sufficient.

Regarding the answers you're seeing, the thread is about administration blunders. From a political perspective, the administration answers to the people of the US and is responsible for their well-being. They would be derelict in their duty if they sent vital equipment out of the country to the detriment of US lives.

Regarding states sending equipment to NYC, it depends on the details. Who owns the equipment?  Is it the state? Is it private healthcare providers? Is it federally owned but on loan or stored in certain states? You also have certain states that are virtually guaranteed to not get hit nearly as hard as NY, both by virtue of population density and by the benefit of learning from NY's mistakes and taking extra precautions earlier.

April 06, 2020, 10:21:06 AM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
There is a difference  between Canada and other countries. Canada does not have that many people compared to the US, so they wouldn’t need such a large supply to make them happy.

 People have to realize that we get from Canada certain medical materials, and there are some Canadian that work in US hospitals.  Ontario Canada is closer to large cities such as Detroit  and New York than many other areas in the US. With NY already in short supply of medical professionals why anger you neighbours when you might need them.

There are also many, many high-risk Canadians currently in the US. Do you know how many Canadian snowbirds there are that didn't go back because of the virus? Florida is full of them.

April 06, 2020, 11:30:26 AM
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
Does that matter if the story is true.

No. They should be arrested and tried with attempted murder.

April 06, 2020, 01:11:21 PM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
Why? There are many regions where I'm sure we can all agree this is not necessary.

If you think we can all agree, you haven't been paying attention.

April 06, 2020, 03:18:59 PM
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
1. It will be behind us by then.
2. They say the summer will kill the virus.
3. The camp is quarantined in it self.

Which camp do you know of has the insurance or medical capabilities to risk an outbreak?

April 08, 2020, 08:11:38 AM
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
Which camp do you know of has the insurance or medical capabilities to risk an outbreak?

Aside from this, what makes anyone think the schools won't be pushing summer school to make up missed days? How will they move kids up a year without having met minimum educational requirements?

April 08, 2020, 08:13:41 AM
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Re: Impact of Covid-19 on Tri-State Orthodox Jewish Community I believe that there are many factors which will render our communities as outliers in this pandemic. The first, and biggest, factor is our community life. A BP family with 8 kids can realistically interact with 2 yeshivos, a girls high school, 2 elementary schools, and a playgroup all within 24 hours, in addition to up to 3 shuls and a large simcha. Assuming very modest average numbers of 100 kids per school, 30 per shul, and 150 per simcha, that family has interacted with almost 750 people (giving overlap) within their average 24 hour period. I think you'd be hard pressed to find that reach in the outside world. Multiply that by "x" amount of families, add in Purim, and the government not taking it seriously enough until after a large percentage of our population was infected, and I think you may need to find a different Chol HaMoed project. 

Another data point that will skew the Jewish community's numbers vs the rest of the world is the elderly population. The interaction we have with our elderly in community and home settings, IMO is far greater than the average population. The amount of deaths we've seen from our greatest generation (75+) is unfortunately a huge percentage of our overall Covid-19 fatalities.

April 12, 2020, 10:30:41 AM
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
You should do what ur Rav tells you.

But think about it for a minute.

A Grocery Store is OK.
USPS is OK.
WallMart OK.
Target OK.

Shull not ok.

Maybe we shall be open with proper cleaning and distancing guidance in place where enforcement is stricter then USPS or Target.

Once upon a time, I had similar logic I applied to everything rabbonim said... If you want to play that game, it's a very different conversation.

April 12, 2020, 01:29:22 PM
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
By government own reasoning this will end with heard immunity. If any community has it, it's ours.

False. There is no known immunity, just a theory based on other diseases. The rate of reinfection has already rendered this theory irrelevant.

April 12, 2020, 01:36:29 PM
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
Most doctors just disagree with your "theory".

Matzah got you constipated? Find me a doctor who knows what makes you immune to this virus.

April 12, 2020, 01:40:31 PM
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
I know the Rov of my shul and a few of other shuls as well, are keeping the shuls to themselves. They have a private shul, mikvah, and Sifrei Torah for them and their children. Technically speaking, there is nothing wrong or risky about having a minyan if done properly. The fear is that it won't be done properly.

Two issues with this.

1) Even if this minyan is being done properly, what happens when people see this and decide they can do it, too, without taking all the precautions?
2) What about Kavod HaTorah? How many people will now lose respect for this Rov and all that he stands for because they can't follow their own psak and lead by example?

April 12, 2020, 03:50:00 PM
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
Total Fake News.

Dr Fauci himself said that like other coronavirus diseases it's highly highly unlikely to get reinfected.


The anecdotal evidence about people getting reinfected is most likely people who never cleared it from their system (that's another unanswered question, how long it can stay in a person)

& the Herd Immunity is also a real thing that countries have adopted & then abandoned when they realized the cost to human life

This getting waaay off topic, but here are some thoughts on your post.

First, Fauci has said in multiple interviews that what you hear him say in the press conferences is somewhere between the truth and what he needs to say to keep Trump happy. Even if he did say it, I'm not taking his word at face value.

Second, herd immunity is misleading in it's name, and therefore grossly misunderstood. The theory behind it is, if most of a population is immune to a certain disease, the likelihood of a non-immune person coming in contact with a carrier of that disease is greatly reduced, thereby reducing the non-immune person's risk for catching that disease. It's the reason we vaccinate. If 90%+ people are vaccinated and "protected" against getting a disease, say measles, then the other 10% of people have a much lower risk of catching it (ie. protecting "the herd"). The reason it doesn't apply in our current situation is three-fold: a) we don't actually know if having had the disease makes you immune, as illustrated by both the re-infection rate and by the inconsistency in findings of anti-bodies of those previously infected, b) we don't have solid data on the length of contagiousness for this, as illustrated by tests showing viral shedding for weeks after becoming asymptomatic, and c) herd immunity relies on a certain percentage of the population having immunity, which in our current situation is something we cannot be certain of or control with a vaccine.

I said there is no known immunity, as it is currently only a theory. I also said that given the circumstances, as explained above, this theory is currently irrelevant. That's not to say it's wrong or will never be relevant, but it doesn't apply to anyone right now.

April 12, 2020, 05:31:52 PM
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
Please stay out of this discussion. You'll never understand. Thank you.

Uncalled for, and he isn't wrong.

April 12, 2020, 06:28:29 PM
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
I don't want to misunderstand. You are saying if what your rabbanim says violates the law you will follow the rabbanim and not the our constitution?

I feel like you've had this conversation before...

April 12, 2020, 06:45:08 PM
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now? I think I need a support group. I get so much anxiety that such stupidity exists, but I keep reading these shul threads like I'm going to find some good info or maybe fix some of the stupid. It's like a deeply destructive cycle. And then I dream of hamsters and bleach and minyanim of people who don't know they're dead yet.
April 12, 2020, 10:52:23 PM
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim CV's hamster got a hold of some hair dye...
April 12, 2020, 11:13:17 PM
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
:o
I could tell you that @yuneeq, @chevron, and others saved a lot of people through posting here.

+1

April 13, 2020, 12:21:05 AM
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Re: Coronavirus Victims Charity Pages
These pages break my heart. But how do you ensure transparency?

Each page is raising 500k. How do these families and trustees ensure the funds are managed and distributed properly?

I had similar thoughts, but in times like these, give first and worry about the other stuff later.

April 13, 2020, 01:45:30 AM
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Re: What are you doing with the family to keep busy during your stay-at-home?
My daughters disagree on this and in the end settled on the way they came out.

Speaking of Marvel movies... I'd watch CV's origin story. Mild-mannered Midwestern gentleman living the American dream ends up with a motley crew of Jewish keyboard warriors. Chaos and hilarity ensues.

April 13, 2020, 08:39:28 AM
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Re: Corona virus and your shul For me, I cannot point to a single post that did it for me. I saw consistent messaging that was backed up with sources, which led me to do my own research. A huge benefit of this forum was the ability to get information through other members from a wide variety of sources I would not have necessarily checked or had access to. Hearing how others were handling it, the tips and tricks, the research, the planning, the stocking up of certain supplies, all of these helped immensely in creating my family's own plan of action.

Regarding @CountValentine's question, the answer is yes, to a certain degree. "With great power comes great responsibility." Those who wield influence and power need to be cognizant of the ramifications of their words and actions. That means taking the time to properly research a topic before speaking authoritatively on it. By the same token, people need to take individual responsibility in vetting who they respect and who they get their information from. They need to verify information they hear and not just accept things blindly.

April 13, 2020, 09:23:08 AM
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Re: PSA
Hashem literally sent us to our corners for misbehaving . If we don't listen, He'll take away our internet too.

Your signature has taken on a new meaning for me

April 13, 2020, 12:21:02 PM
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Re: PSA @Dan Feature request: a spam button, to make certain threads disappear.
April 13, 2020, 12:55:32 PM
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Re: PSA
What is not having toilet paper a punishment for ?

Being full of...

April 13, 2020, 01:55:40 PM
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/top-israeli-prof-claims-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/
What if he's right

He's not. Italy is over 70 days, as are other countries. China and S Korea are seeing a resurgence. The examples he gave of countries that didn't hamper their economies and are fine are also misguided. Singapore and Taiwan were both prepared at a government level and citizen level due to their exposure to previous viruses, such as SARS. They invested heavily in stockpiles and preparedness strategies, and citizens were trained in proper protocols from the last time, ensuring widespread compliance.

He's essentially saying Bibi overreacted in hindsight, whereas if Bibi had done what he's suggesting from the beginning, we'd have a thread for Israeli administration blunders and accountability for the staggering death toll.

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