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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
I am blaming Trump for the WH blunders. You really think I care if he is a R or D?

I find it odd you giving me advice about obsessions doing more harm than good.
Why are the holdouts R's?

Seems that is ALL you care about.

April 05, 2020, 10:22:21 AM
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Re: Will the truth come out how this administration made blunder after blunder?
Would you give your life vest to a child you did not know or was from a different country? Should states not send ventilators to NYC because they might need them later on?

I am not saying you are wrong just not the answers I expected especially on this forum.

Let's start with the child example. We're not talking about children. We're talking adults to adults. Just because they're Canadian doesn't mean they're somehow less self-sufficient.

Regarding the answers you're seeing, the thread is about administration blunders. From a political perspective, the administration answers to the people of the US and is responsible for their well-being. They would be derelict in their duty if they sent vital equipment out of the country to the detriment of US lives.

Regarding states sending equipment to NYC, it depends on the details. Who owns the equipment?  Is it the state? Is it private healthcare providers? Is it federally owned but on loan or stored in certain states? You also have certain states that are virtually guaranteed to not get hit nearly as hard as NY, both by virtue of population density and by the benefit of learning from NY's mistakes and taking extra precautions earlier.

April 06, 2020, 10:21:06 AM
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
Why aren't schools taking advantage of PPP ? This should be a no brainer for almost every school. The issue I'm struggling with at my organization, is the 2 month payroll comes right up to June when we furlough half our hourly employees every year for two months (college break). But if schools pay teachers salaries based on 12 months, then PPP is a no brainier...

Many of them probably are, and will charge tuition anyway.

April 06, 2020, 06:31:06 PM
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Re: A goy does care. When I wrote my post, I was going to include a disclaimer about you - how you clearly DO care very much. In the end I didn't, because, Jew or not, I think you're pretty much part of the community by now so you were included in my main point.

My point was that as Jews our community is both emotionally closer and physically more spread out than what is typically considered a community, hence the overwhelming amount of pain we feel - while a typical John Doe does not have that personal connection to so many others.

Obviously there are "tens of millions" who do care about others they don't know, but I don't think that they do so on quite the same personal level.

You are somewhat of an outlier with a very strong connection to our community - not very many Catholics are Honorary Internet Jews ;D. Jews are a family, and you're part of it.

April 08, 2020, 10:01:13 AM
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
Who said it's illegal?

How about R’ Chaim Kanievsky? Is he holy enough for you?

No? How about R’ Gershon Edelstein, who specifically had a picture publicized of him davening b’yechidus “so that others should see, and understand that if I can daven without a minyan, then so should they”?!

Wake up, people. It’s not about the black-and-white of a government decree. The government is not your freaking babysitter. Just because you found a loophole in something they said, that doesn’t necessarily make it suddenly healthy and wise to do so!!!! Just because you’re allowed to buy cigarettes when you’re older than 18, for example, that doesn’t mean that smoking is healthy for you... it simply means that there’s a limit to how much the government can be your babysitter, and after which point you have to GROW THE $&@% UP and take responsibility for your own actions.

If this is something that EVERY MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL HAS SAID SHOULD NOT BE DONE, and ALMOST EVERY RABBINICAL AUTHORITY OF NOTE HAS AGREED WITH, to the point that RAV CHAIM KANIEVSKY EXPLICITLY SAID THAT YOU CAN REPORT PEOPLE WHO MAKE ILLEGAL MINYANIM TO THE AUTHORITIES, then why do you have to think you’re smarter?! Why?! Why?! WHY?!?! WHY?!?!?! Did not enough Jews die yet to convince you?!?!

If you contract COVID-19 while attending a minyan these days (even if you found a “loophole” in the secular law for that) and die from it, do you really think you’ll be welcomed into Shamayim with open arms as someone who died “al kiddush Hashem”?! Or do you think you’ll be getting the express elevator to the basement, for violating divrei chachamim and explicitly going against the words of virtually every gadol of note b’zman hazeh?!

In summary... my main point is: it’s not just government laws that can make something illegal. Commands from our gedolim can make something “illegal” for a G-d fearing Jew, too. And even if you find a valid “loophole”, you’re still an idiot, and your blood - and the blood of others - is on your hands.

April 12, 2020, 03:05:52 PM
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
Sorry guys but this is black and white. The laws of our country come first or they don't. Saying "not per say" or "it generally applies" means our laws do not come first.
You do realize that for all of our history we've been persecuted by our ruling governments, right?

Even America, which has been one of our most gracious and generous hosts in history has had cities flirt with banning foundational parts of our religion.

If practicing Catholicism was banned by law, which would you pick?
Seems far fetched to you, but that's literally our entire history.

It's about the furthest thing from black and white there could be.

April 12, 2020, 09:51:05 PM
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Re: Is your Shul Secretly Open Right Now?
For someone who never misses a minyan this is a truly troubling situation. Someone who misses minyanim for non essential travel will obviously not show up now, thus they aren't a proof of anything.

We are not baseball players keeping a streak alive!!!!

April 12, 2020, 10:54:57 PM
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
Crazy that you think posting here would have had that outcome.
:o
I could tell you that @yuneeq, @chevron, and others saved a lot of people through posting here.

April 13, 2020, 12:08:52 AM
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Re: Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim My personal take:
In Wuhan, Spain, Italy, and England, there were set times that people went on their porches to sing, serenade each other, yell to each other, applaud medical workers, ect. Everyone in the world thought it was wonderful, and there were laudatory headlines and videos everywhere. Suddenly, when people are doing the same thing to sing and praise Hashem, they're evil. It feels to me like the story with the yid on the train in the 1950s, that someone came over to him and berated him for the chilul Hashem he was causing by dressing in the old world style long coat, hat, and beard. The person looked at the yeller blankly and said "I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm Amish, and this is how we preserve our traditions. I'm sorry if it offends you." The yeller apologized profusely, and said how wonderful he thought it was that he was preserving the ways of his ancestors and how he should be proud of it... The "Amish" guy said to him "For the Amish it's wonderful and praiseworthy, but for a yid it's a chilul Hashem"?

In addition, many non essential businesses are still open, and I don't see people getting emotional about people attending. I haven't seen a single business where appropriate social distancing measures were maintained. Not a single one. Not banks, not pharmacies, not supermarkets... Nothing. In fact, it's nearly impossible for appropriate non contagion measures to be maintained in these settings. Yet I don't see anyone getting emotional about them. I have seen minyanim where appropriate distances were maintained. An outdoor minyan setting is significantly more feasible to maintain a safe environment than a store, being as not everyone needs to be in the same aisles getting the same items by necessity, it's possible to be over a much larger area, and people are not touching the same surfaces. Yet all these pseudo epidemiologists that speak 3 words of Yiddish and know how to yell in a WhatsApp video are convinced that all these people that ch'v answer amen yehei shmei rabbah are rotzchim.

If we were taking social distancing as seriously as these people feel we should, every store should be closed. Yes, EVERY SINGLE ONE. Forget about the liquor stores and other ridiculous stores that are legally allowed to remain open (I haven't seen a single WhatsApp video ranting about those-in fact, it seems that the august darshanim like to utilize them...)-every food store and pharmacy should be closed too. They can all be converted to deliver only, and organizations can be mobilized and arranged to take orders, pack them, and deliver them. Kreindy won't get the brand mayonnaise she likes, and Berel won't get his favorite rack of ribs? They'll survive on potatoes and matzah. I'm well aware that people need emergency medications ect... They can all be delivered. These stores are infinitely more dangerous than minyanim, based on the apparent impossibility to operate them in a safe mannerism. If every guy that is ranting about people davening with a minyan would volunteer to help take orders and deliver, this would be entirely doable. This is a warzone we're talking about, not peacetime. Nobody should be talking about how this isn't feasible because their kids get cranky if they don't have fresh milk and eggs and their favorite brand cereal every 2 days.

Different people seem to have different priorities. I think the same people that rant about the chilul Hashem of minyanim on airplanes, the chilul Hashem of men not sitting next to women, and the chilul Hashem of the Yidden in the 1950s that walked around with a yarmulke and peyos and beard are ranting about this. It depends which religion you subscribe to.

This is my personal take.

However, I am wrong. That is because I asked my posek, one of the gedolim in America, (and I heard the same from someone else who personally asked another very choshuve posek that has been consulted about life and death questions for decades), and he said not to participate in a such a minyan, even if it is being operated on a mannerism that most doctors would consider 100% safe. He did not explain why.

Every person has to have a Rav that they listen to אפילו אם אמר על שמאל ימין ועל ימין שמאל, and this is what my Rav said. Therefore, I am 100% wrong, and all my logic otherwise is worthless.

I must admit that it's very difficult for me. There is a minyan outside my house that consists of a few different families, each on their own individual property in their single family homes, well more than all the recommended distances apart. I literally just have to walk onto my front porch to be part of the minyan, and I hear them davening. Listening to a ruling that is nearly a chok to me is personally very difficult. However, that is the halacha, and I believe that a person who listens to their Rav no matter what does not regret it, and that is what will being the geulah more than any minyan.

 כשם שמקבלים שכר על הדרישה, כך מקבלים שכר על הפרישה.

(Repost because first got lost.)

April 13, 2020, 11:33:32 AM
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Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic We've gone through this before, and there are no good numbers to work with. I'll try to sum it up.

The issue with confirmed cases starts with our numbers in the US. We know most people with the virus didn't get tested. We also know that the accuracy of the tests has been reported to be as low as 50-60%. Both os these things are leading to greatly underreported confirmed cases here. To then compare our inaccurate numbers to those of other countries, who are administrating different tests in different ways and have a plethora of their own issues... let's just say it's very far from scientific.

Deaths are a little more accurate, but not by much. There are 2 main issues with comparing US deaths with other countries. The first is accuracy. The US has pretty accurate statistics on deaths, even those at home, but they aren't complete. While some other countries also have accurate death records, they are a tiny minority. Most countries don't have the infrastructure to report accurately on a good day, and definitely not during a crisis. The second issue with death numbers is that each country has their own standard for what they consider a Covid-19 related death. The US has the broadest definition. If you die in the US and Covid-19 is a factor, you count. Cancer, heart attack, kidney issue, degenerative disease - doesn't matter. If covid-19 played any kind of part, it counts. Other countries have a very wide variety of definitions, and they are more likely to have narrower criteria.

In other words, to do a comparative study, you need to compare apples to apples. We don't even know how many apples we have to compare to their oranges, cherries, or bananas.

April 14, 2020, 04:36:13 AM
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