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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2019, 04:19:08 PM »
No self respecting sofer would give a real opinion based on a low quality picture like what you can pull from the video.

I acknowledged the limitations of a picture here -

Many other sofrim have reviewed these pictures and (taking into account the limitations of the pictures) said that many of those he said are passul, are actually kosher (bedieved).



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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2019, 04:42:23 PM »
Nu, so someone can probably share what it is that apparently the velt is arguing with the video on specifically.
In short, the issues described in the video do not pasul the mezuzah. Some issues are problematic according to the Alter Rebbe, but there is plenty to rely on that they are kosher.

This is not from examining the exact mezuzahs in the video, but from experience checking mezuzahs from the same sources.

My issue remains that it is dishonest to sell such a mezuzah to a Lubavitcher without informing the buyer that it is likely not kosher according to the Alter Rebbe.
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2019, 05:25:59 PM »
Seems like this guy has an agenda. I'm not sure exactly what it is, maybe to make his name known? Maybe to boost sales for Machon Stam?
He goes way too far by listing the name of each sofer behind the stores and showing the pictures of each. He's a total fraud in my opinion.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2019, 05:42:54 PM »
In short, the issues described in the video do not pasul the mezuzah. Some issues are problematic according to the Alter Rebbe, but there is plenty to rely on that they are kosher.

This is not from examining the exact mezuzahs in the video, but from experience checking mezuzahs from the same sources.

My issue remains that it is dishonest to sell such a mezuzah to a Lubavitcher without informing the buyer that it is likely not kosher according to the Alter Rebbe.
Letters touching is not a universal psul?

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2019, 05:51:56 PM »
Letters touching is not a universal psul?

IANAS, but according to one sofer I heard, not a psul according to the Rashb"a, Rada"ch and others.
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2019, 06:29:28 PM »
Letters touching is not a universal psul?

I'm not a sofer, but the alter Rebbe brings an opinion that if the letter would still be kosher after scratching out the part that connects, the mezzuza is kosher even before it's fixed.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2019, 06:39:18 PM »
IANAS, but according to one sofer I heard, not a psul according to the Rashb"a, Rada"ch and others.
lchatchila?
I'm not a sofer, but the alter Rebbe brings an opinion that if the letter would still be kosher after scratching out the part that connects, the mezzuza is kosher even before it's fixed.
lchatchila?

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2019, 07:11:01 PM »
How does one correct a mezuzah? Doesnt it have to be written כסדרם? Or is that tefillin? Or does Chabad have a different view of that?
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2019, 08:01:38 PM »

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2019, 08:02:30 PM »
How does one correct a mezuzah? Doesnt it have to be written כסדרם? Or is that tefillin? Or does Chabad have a different view of that?

Certain psulim can be fixed (maybe those that are kosher bedieved?)

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2019, 11:17:48 PM »
No
These mezuzah were sold as kosher lchatchila

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2019, 11:22:53 PM »
These mezuzah were sold as kosher lchatchila

I don't think that is true (at least for some of the stores).

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2019, 11:26:08 PM »
I'm very curious to hear some actual mareh mekomos. Mukaf gvil is a gemara, and is paskened l'halacha as a psul by tur, shu'a, rambam and others.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2019, 02:25:08 AM »


Seems like this guy has an agenda. I'm not sure exactly what it is, maybe to make his name known? Maybe to boost sales for Machon Stam?
He goes way too far by listing the name of each sofer behind the stores and showing the pictures of each. He's a total fraud in my opinion.

Of course he has an agenda, why can't it be that it's simply to raise awareness and make sure people get what they pay for and have mezuzas that are kosher lchatchila? Not everyone has an  ulterior motive.
I found it pretty humorous that your retort for him calling out a fraud is to go ahead and call him a fraud.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2019, 03:03:45 AM »

Of course he has an agenda, why can't it be that it's simply to raise awareness and make sure people get what they pay for and have mezuzas that are kosher lchatchila? Not everyone has an  ulterior motive.
I found it pretty humorous that your retort for him calling out a fraud is to go ahead and call him a fraud.
To be fair I donít know if he needed to name actual names to make his point, in which case heís playing with 🔥
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