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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2019, 09:01:31 AM »
I was recently in the market for a new mezuzah. I went to my local seforim store to inquire, they showed me different options, this one for $50 the other for $70. As I was weighing my options, I saw a whole stack that he didn't even mention. I asked him what the price on those mezuzahs were, he's like "Oh, those? You can't afford them. They're for kollel yungerleit."
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2019, 11:42:50 AM »
Response from Oraita, Rabbi Gad Sebag:

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In light of the latest video that was published I was asked to respond.

In my 26 years being a sofer I tried very hard to stay away from מחלוקת especially one that is not לשם שמים. However in this case… I have to respond to clarify.

I would like to mention that each mezuzah sold by Oraita is carefully checked by one of our certified magihim in our office.  And while we try our very best שגיאות מי יבין And There is always room for improvement.

And to the report.

I showed to many magihim in the US and Eretz Yisroel the issues mentioned by the report and they were puzzled.

The letters צ showed in the reports are not even questions. (clear space between the 2 heads. Kosher lechatchila.

The disconnect parts of letters that are reported as posul are not ניכר להדיא (visible enough) and therefore kosher as is even without repair.

As for the spacing between letters in the same word a couple of them could have been closer but not posul.

I do have to notice that those same issues appear in the others report that for some reason was kosher there.

דרשני?

I also notice new concepts in halocho such as שאלת תינוק in spacing issues…? Not mentioned in shulchon oruch.

And that brings me to one conclusion.

A good כוונה might have been there perhaps but ניקיון ידיים איו כאן.

Relying on a single unknown magiah to do a character killing of many people and people’s livelihood is wrong.

The poor choice of how to do this and the public shaming of sofrim is wrong.

The refusal to have a multiple neutral hagoho performed of these mezuzos and then review the outcome is screaming foul.

Putting the rebbe’s name and mivtsoim as a preface to this is unacceptable.

Saying that hundreds of thousands of mezuzos used by yiden around the globe are posul is wrong.

Taking this to YouTube and out to the world with WhatsApp is so wrong.

What yeshiva and which mashpia or parent taught you that. The bitterness and anger of this individual and lack of בנחת נשמעים…. is disturbing.

The purpose here was not to educate customers and to have sofrim improve.

It’s wrong to hide behind איצטלא דרבנן and Holy causes when הידיים ידי עשו.

I see a קנאות but no pinchus. However, korachs name and his מחלוקת is all over the place.
The damage caused by these individuals is irreversible and may hashem have rachmunus on them and forgive them.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank the dozens of customers that contacted me in past day showing their support and love.

It’s heartwarming and I thank hashem for such great clientele. No infomercial or money can buy that.

We all the sofrim are unified (a miracle) and will do everything to protect ourselves and families.

I will conclude with hope and pray of ברכינו אבינו כולנו כאחד with achdus. And we should be zoche to the coming of moshiach speedily in our days.

Sincerely.
Oraita Inc.
Rabbi Gad Sebag
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #47 on: January 04, 2019, 12:20:37 PM »
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #48 on: January 04, 2019, 12:44:47 PM »
"Some people don't just have issues- they have a whole year's subscription" -@etech0

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #49 on: January 04, 2019, 12:46:50 PM »

Of course he has an agenda, why can't it be that it's simply to raise awareness and make sure people get what they pay for and have mezuzas that are kosher lchatchila? Not everyone has an  ulterior motive.
I found it pretty humorous that your retort for him calling out a fraud is to go ahead and call him a fraud.
It was probably quite assur and wrong of him to name names just based off of his personal sofrim, and now let’s see what bes din decides. I don’t know if calling him a fraud is wrong.
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #50 on: January 04, 2019, 12:50:02 PM »
apparently the 'psulim' he mentions might be so according to AR but not necessarily  according to all poskim.

but the mocher should not have agreed to sell to 'anash' personal use...

that's a good point - he holds to the standard of the expected customer (in this case, I believe the expected customer is the shaliach who originally ordered them, not his 'mispallel' that he might have been ordering on behalf of).

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #51 on: January 04, 2019, 12:51:30 PM »
Obviously l'chol hadeios these are not mehudar mezuzahs, but to say that they're straight-up passul and to name and shame stores -without getting their side of the story- when it's apparently not so cut and dry, when there are many differing opinions, seems pretty inappropriate.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #52 on: January 04, 2019, 01:08:39 PM »
[quote Relying on a single unknown magiah to do a character killing of many people and people’s livelihood is wrong.

The poor choice of how to do this and the public shaming of sofrim is wrong.

The refusal to have a multiple neutral hagoho performed of these mezuzos and then review the outcome is screaming foul]
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #53 on: January 04, 2019, 01:13:24 PM »
This whole story is interesting. I definitely think that there is more backstory here. Why would someone go out and spend 3-4000 of their own money to do this? If I give him (R'Wolf) the benefit of the doubt that he truly is doing this l'shaim shamayim, why go this route? Did he try to go to Bes Din before making the video?

I hope that the Din Torah, or at least him appearing before bes din will shed some light on the matter

while I appreciate R' Sebags response, and the fact that all of the sofrim in the video have taken him to a din torah, one quote stuck out more than the rest:

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We all the sofrim are unified (a miracle) and will do everything to protect ourselves and families.

I hope that this 'everything to protect ourselves' turns out to be that R'Wolf is bending the truth,  and not that the sofrim are willing to sell mezuzos that are pasul.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #54 on: January 04, 2019, 01:16:21 PM »
Did he try to go to Bes Din before making the video?

I hope that the Din Torah, or at least him appearing before bes din will shed some light on the matter


I know nothing about this particular case but all I can say is that unfortunately the Bes Din situation in CH is extremely messed up.
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #55 on: January 04, 2019, 01:25:53 PM »
I know nothing about this particular case but all I can say is that unfortunately the Bes Din situation in CH is extremely messed up.
I know nothing about the Bais Din situation in CH, but everywhere else that I know of it's pretty messed up.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #56 on: January 04, 2019, 01:28:42 PM »
I know nothing about the Bais Din situation in CH
Consider yourself lucky :)

I know nothing about this particular case but all I can say is that unfortunately the Bes Din situation in CH is extremely messed up.
This is not the CH BD

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #57 on: January 04, 2019, 01:45:22 PM »
Consider yourself lucky :)
Meh, I doubt it's any worse than anywhere else.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #58 on: January 04, 2019, 02:07:28 PM »


spend 3-4000
He mentioned in the comment section of the YouTube video that he spent over $7k on this.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #59 on: January 04, 2019, 02:26:45 PM »
He mentioned in the comment section of the YouTube video that he spent over $7k on this.

Wonder who hes planning on selling them to :P