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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #80 on: January 06, 2019, 02:52:35 PM »
It's why I no longer buy an esrog, such a dishonest business, same for kapores chicken.

My tefillen were stolen in SF, my father paid 2k(!!!) For gasos from machon stam just Rashi..

I thought that was a lot,but I see why.


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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #81 on: January 06, 2019, 02:54:30 PM »
YES! That's exactly my point!

Commercialised Judaism and relying on agencies and organisations, "they say this is a good Hechsher" and "they say this Hechsher is no good" is a concept which started about 100 years ago as people were leaving the Shtetel life where they knew they're Rabbi and relied on what he said was good/kosher/Tahor/allowed.
About 100 years later it's become a business and enterprise and this is a huge WAKE UP CALL that people need to take responsibility for their Judaism.
Don't eat in a restaurant unless YOU make sure it's Kosher by relying on people YOU know and YOU trust. Same for Tefilin, Mezuzos and everything else!
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100% true, but this doesn't make these vendors any less culpable.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #82 on: January 06, 2019, 02:56:31 PM »
Crazy stuff. Probably just the tip of the iceberg.

Bottom line though, do I need to have my 1 year old ~$200 A"R Ksav mezuzos checked?
Or is this only for the "mivtzoim" mezuzos?
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #83 on: January 06, 2019, 02:59:12 PM »
only for the "mivtzoim" mezuzos
This, supposedly.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #84 on: January 06, 2019, 03:01:22 PM »
Crazy stuff. Probably just the tip of the iceberg.

Bottom line though, do I need to have my 1 year old ~$200 A"R Ksav mezuzos checked?
Or is this only for the "mivtzoim" mezuzos?
The whole issue is Mivzoim mezuzahas. That the vendors receive them from outside sources and say they're kosher bdieved. Regular mezuzas purchased l shouldn't have any issues.
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #85 on: January 06, 2019, 03:09:12 PM »
Crazy stuff. Probably just the tip of the iceberg.

Bottom line though, do I need to have my 1 year old ~$200 A"R Ksav mezuzos checked?
Or is this only for the "mivtzoim" mezuzos?

Should likely be mehudar for that price.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #86 on: January 06, 2019, 03:12:37 PM »
I recently bought many mezuzos for myself. There is a reason I spent over $1,000.
$1000 doesn't have any significance if you don't specify whether you bought 10, or 20  ;)

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #87 on: January 06, 2019, 03:14:03 PM »
$1000 doesn't have any significance if you don't specify whether you bought 10, or 20  ;)

I think they were around $115 a mezuzah.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #88 on: January 06, 2019, 03:29:43 PM »
I just brought a bunch of mezuzahs I got pictures of the kissav first. I think people should ask for that, even to the untrained eye it should be pretty obvious what kind of Kisav it is.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #89 on: January 06, 2019, 03:29:58 PM »
Crazy stuff. Probably just the tip of the iceberg.

Bottom line though, do I need to have my 1 year old ~$200 A"R Ksav mezuzos checked?
Or is this only for the "mivtzoim" mezuzos?
didn’t you buy them from Raskin?

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #90 on: January 06, 2019, 03:49:50 PM »


Bottom line though, do I need to have my 1 year old ~$200 A"R Ksav mezuzos checked?
Or is this only for the "mivtzoim" mezuzos?

There are a few factors to take into consideration.
1. The price. While this seems to be a good indicator to detect the quality of Mezuzos, if there is indeed fraud in the industry, price may not be a guarantee.
2. Name. Do you know the name of the Sofer who wrote your Mezuzos? This seems to be a good indicator that your goods are legit.
3. Trust. Sometimes we feel with industries which we're not familiar with and sometimes we don't even have friends in the industry. If you know someone who knows someone who knows someone who WROTE the goods, as long as you know the names of all the people in between and each one has a LOT of trust in the next person, them you should be okay.

Otherwise, you should probably get them checked ASAP.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #91 on: January 06, 2019, 04:12:42 PM »
Always get your Stam computer checked as well.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #92 on: January 06, 2019, 04:16:07 PM »
I had my Stam computer, checked. The IT guy said it was good, just a little slow.
What version?

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #93 on: January 06, 2019, 05:35:06 PM »
What about matza? Or anything Jewish for that matter that's been turned into a huge industry?

Re: wolf and raskin related, that's a joke. Same comments say that Shapiro from vaad rabinei lubavitch bais din is Uncle of Klein son in law who runs business.

Everyone in chabad is related, even me as a child of baalei teshuva's, I'm related to half of chabad by marriage.

Btw I'd wager that wolf is also related to many in the Stam industry he is waring with.

With that said, I would love more background, I thought the use of the term fraud was too far fetched but maybe it really is known fraud ?

Problem with stuff like this is often there's no blow back fear, no class action lawsuits.


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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #94 on: January 06, 2019, 05:39:44 PM »
I just went to check the aforementioned website to read the comments.
I am horrified !! When Chabad people talk , They write “this is a Chilul Lubavitch”
How low of a people to switch the term Chilul Hashem for Chilul Lubavitch.
You switch Hashems Honor for Lubavitch ?? 
Of course Moshiach won’t come ! I am disgusted
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #95 on: January 06, 2019, 05:45:11 PM »


What about matza? Or anything Jewish for that matter that's been turned into a huge industry?
Same! Don't buy unless you know who you're buying from. You don't want to know what's going on in some of these bakeries with some "high standard Hechsherim".
Re: wolf and raskin related, that's a joke. Same comments say that Shapiro from vaad rabinei lubavitch bais din is Uncle of Klein son in law who runs business.
Indeed.


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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #96 on: January 06, 2019, 05:48:38 PM »
I just went to check the aforementioned website to read the comments.
I am horrified !! When Chabad people talk , They write “this is a Chilul Lubavitch”
How low of a people to switch the term Chilul Hashem for Chilul Lubavitch.
You switch Hashems Honor for Lubavitch ?? 
Of course Moshiach won’t come ! I am disgusted
If that's what horrified you on COL, I don't even know what to say.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #97 on: January 06, 2019, 06:00:58 PM »
If that's what horrified you on COL, I don't even know what to say.
Maybe it’s an old problem. I hope not .
Either way , it’s a Massive Chilul Hashem to remove Hashems name and insert Lubavitch. Are the Rabbanai Chabad ok with this ? As far as I know no other group of Yidden do this , not Sefardim , Litvaks , any other Chassidus , or Modox.
It’s literally a Chilul Hashem . May Hashem have mercy on his people .
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #98 on: January 06, 2019, 06:06:47 PM »
I just went to check the aforementioned website to read the comments.
I am horrified !! When Chabad people talk , They write “this is a Chilul Lubavitch”
How low of a people to switch the term Chilul Hashem for Chilul Lubavitch.
You switch Hashems Honor for Lubavitch ?? 
Of course Moshiach won’t come ! I am disgusted
LOL

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #99 on: January 06, 2019, 06:13:26 PM »
I just went to check the aforementioned website to read the comments.
I am horrified !! When Chabad people talk , They write “this is a Chilul Lubavitch”
How low of a people to switch the term Chilul Hashem for Chilul Lubavitch.
You switch Hashems Honor for Lubavitch ?? 
Of course Moshiach won’t come ! I am disgusted
relax