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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #105 on: January 06, 2019, 07:14:39 PM »
Torah is not a Litvish thing , or a Sefardi/ Chasidic thing .
Itís Hashems Torah !!
Besides The word Hashem is being removed and replaced with Lubavitch . Itís shocking.
Lol. I think it's about time you get out of your bubble.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #106 on: January 06, 2019, 07:15:04 PM »
Torah is not a Litvish thing , or a Sefardi/ Chasidic thing .
Itís Hashems Torah !!
Besides The word Hashem is being removed and replaced with Lubavitch . Itís shocking.
Wake up and smell the coffee

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #107 on: January 06, 2019, 07:21:41 PM »
What does "This doesn't make frum Jews look good" mean?
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #108 on: January 06, 2019, 07:38:27 PM »
What does "This doesn't make frum Jews look good" mean?
Itís not the same as Using the term Chilul Hashem, and removing the word Hashem and inserting Lubavitch. I canít believe the Rebbe or the Rabbonay Chabad are/were ok with this .
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #109 on: January 06, 2019, 07:41:54 PM »
Itís not the same as Using the term Chilul Hashem, and removing the word Hashem and inserting Lubavitch. I canít believe the Rebbe or the Rabbonay Chabad are/were ok with this .
I hope in Chabad when things go well they donít say Itís a Kiddush Chabad .
Please Please someone tell me thatís not true   : ( : (
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #110 on: January 06, 2019, 07:50:36 PM »
Because itís used in all Jewish circles to refer to the honor of God ??
I just want to make sure I get this. You want to know if rabonei Chabad approve of anonymous comments on the internet using the phrase "chilul Lubavitch."

Nevermind the site itself would never be approved of by any rabonim.
Never mind the site is based on lashon hara, heipach hatznius and and denigrates and arguably does more than any other ill to tear at the fabric of true Jewish life.
Nevermind that the story in question involves the possibility of either tens of thousands of pasul mezuzos, libel against dozens of Yidden who stand to lose their parnasa, or both.

All of that was fine. What horrified you is the use of the word "chilul" without being joined to "Hashem". What's your feeling here, the commenters are saying Lubavitch is Hashem? Lubavitch is Judaism? Is the issue that Lubavitchers cannot feel someone is descerating the name of the movement because you aren't familiar with anyone with enough self pride to be bothered by such a thing?

Is it only that you've never heard the expression used before? Should the rabonim come out against the use of the word kvort?

I'm just so confused.
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #111 on: January 06, 2019, 07:54:42 PM »
I hope in Chabad when things go well they donít say Itís a Kiddush Chabad .
Please Please someone tell me thatís not true   : ( : (
You seem to know very little about chabbad. Lets just say that their worldview is very drastically different then yours. You can dig deeper if you really want...

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #112 on: January 06, 2019, 07:56:03 PM »
I just want to make sure I get this. You want to know if rabonei Chabad approve of anonymous comments on the internet using the phrase "chilul Lubavitch."

Nevermind the site itself would never be approved of by any rabonim.
Never mind the site is based on lashon hara, heipach hatznius and and denigrates and arguably does more than any other ill to tear at the fabric of true Jewish life.
Nevermind that the story in question involves the possibility of either tens of thousands of pasul mezuzos, libel against dozens of Yidden who stand to lose their parnasa, or both.

All of that was fine. What horrified you is the use of the word "chilul" without being joined to "Hashem". What's your feeling here, the commenters are saying Lubavitch is Hashem? Lubavitch is Judaism? Is the issue that Lubavitchers cannot feel someone is descerating the name of the movement because you aren't familiar with anyone with enough self pride to be bothered by such a thing?

Is it only that you've never heard the expression used before? Should the rabonim come out against the use of the word kvort?

I'm just so confused.
[Stating things eloquently] seems to be @Yehuda57's job around here.  :)
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #113 on: January 06, 2019, 08:01:04 PM »
I hope in Chabad when things go well they donít say Itís a Kiddush Chabad .
Please Please someone tell me thatís not true   : ( : (
What you seem to be thinking of is a Chabad kiddush, where there's usually more Smirnoff involved. If there is parev cholent though, it is indeed a chilul Lubavitch.
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #114 on: January 06, 2019, 08:14:13 PM »

This has Nothing to do with any particular website . Look at the comments . They refer to Chilul Chabad . What a terrible Chilul Hashem . To switch Hashem for Chabad ! Itís heartbreaking.
Is this unique to that website ? Or is this a systematic problem ? If so , Are the Rabbonim of Chabad able/ willing to do something about this ?? Did this happen during the years of the Rebbe ??
 ( there is no way it could have  , He was A Tzadik Yesod Olam ! )
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #115 on: January 06, 2019, 08:40:05 PM »
This has Nothing to do with any particular website . Look at the comments . They refer to Chilul Chabad . What a terrible Chilul Hashem . To switch Hashem for Chabad ! Itís heartbreaking.
Is this unique to that website ? Or is this a systematic problem ? If so , Are the Rabbonim of Chabad able/ willing to do something about this ?? Did this happen during the years of the Rebbe ??
 ( there is no way it could have  , He was A Tzadik Yesod Olam ! )

Can't tell if he's serious or trolling.

And the million times you hear " that's now how a bais Yakov girl acts" etc...

It takes little brain power to realize that avoiding a chillul hashem is the main goal, however the comments in specific instance is regarding chabad specifically.

And yes the term "bnai Torah " etc does or doesn't etc.. who gave them a monopoly on the Torah?!

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #116 on: January 06, 2019, 08:43:12 PM »
I liked a comment by chevron. Wow

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #117 on: January 06, 2019, 08:46:53 PM »
This has Nothing to do with any particular website . Look at the comments . They refer to Chilul Chabad . What a terrible Chilul Hashem . To switch Hashem for Chabad ! Itís heartbreaking.
Is this unique to that website ? Or is this a systematic problem ? If so , Are the Rabbonim of Chabad able/ willing to do something about this ?? Did this happen during the years of the Rebbe ??
 ( there is no way it could have  , He was A Tzadik Yesod Olam ! )
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #118 on: January 06, 2019, 08:49:08 PM »
This has Nothing to do with any particular website . Look at the comments . They refer to Chilul Chabad . What a terrible Chilul Hashem . To switch Hashem for Chabad ! Itís heartbreaking.
Is this unique to that website ? Or is this a systematic problem ? If so , Are the Rabbonim of Chabad able/ willing to do something about this ?? Did this happen during the years of the Rebbe ??
 ( there is no way it could have  , He was A Tzadik Yesod Olam ! )
Is it heartbreaking to you that Rabbi Lichtenstein calls his podcast ישיבה של מעלה? (I just happened to refresh my feed...)
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #119 on: January 06, 2019, 09:02:43 PM »
I just went to check the aforementioned website to read the comments.
I am horrified !! When Chabad people talk , They write ďthis is a Chilul LubavitchĒ
How low of a people to switch the term Chilul Hashem for Chilul Lubavitch.
You switch Hashems Honor for Lubavitch ?? 
Of course Moshiach wonít come ! I am disgusted
I just went to check the aforementioned website to read the comments.
I am horrified !! When Chabad people talk , They write ďthis is a Chilul LubavitchĒ
How low of a people to switch the term Chilul Hashem for Chilul Lubavitch.
You switch Hashems Honor for Lubavitch ?? 
Of course Moshiach wonít come ! I am disgusted
This is a Chilul DDF...

But seriously the response below should have answered you question..
I just want to make sure I get this. You want to know if rabonei Chabad approve of anonymous comments on the internet using the phrase "chilul Lubavitch."

Nevermind the site itself would never be approved of by any rabonim.
Never mind the site is based on lashon hara, heipach hatznius and and denigrates and arguably does more than any other ill to tear at the fabric of true Jewish life.
Nevermind that the story in question involves the possibility of either tens of thousands of pasul mezuzos, libel against dozens of Yidden who stand to lose their parnasa, or both.

All of that was fine. What horrified you is the use of the word "chilul" without being joined to "Hashem". What's your feeling here, the commenters are saying Lubavitch is Hashem? Lubavitch is Judaism? Is the issue that Lubavitchers cannot feel someone is descerating the name of the movement because you aren't familiar with anyone with enough self pride to be bothered by such a thing?

Is it only that you've never heard the expression used before? Should the rabonim come out against the use of the word kvort?

I'm just so confused.