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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #120 on: January 06, 2019, 09:07:09 PM »
This has Nothing to do with any particular website . Look at the comments . They refer to Chilul Chabad . What a terrible Chilul Hashem . To switch Hashem for Chabad ! It’s heartbreaking.
Is this unique to that website ? Or is this a systematic problem ? If so , Are the Rabbonim of Chabad able/ willing to do something about this ?? Did this happen during the years of the Rebbe ??
 ( there is no way it could have  , He was A Tzadik Yesod Olam ! )
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #121 on: January 06, 2019, 09:40:08 PM »
Can't tell if he's serious or trolling.


I am serious.
 I am sad to see that everyone here is so jaded and doesn’t care less .
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #122 on: January 06, 2019, 09:52:38 PM »
Oh come on. Even if ALL were kosher, but only b'dieved, it's still awful. When I'm buying a mezuzah, I'm looking for a kosher mezuzah l'chatchilah. Don't tell me it's my fault for only spending $30. If $30 is not enough to get a kosher mezuzah, don't sell mezuzahs for $30. How is a SOFER selling a mezuzah that is not 100% kosher l'chatchilah not theft?

Don't think you are correct, the mezuzah's in question are considered kosher 100 lchatchila. Hopefully when the beis din will hear the case we will all see how such a fraudulent complain this was

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #123 on: January 06, 2019, 09:55:51 PM »
Fwiu, low end only. Even an untrained eye can quickly see the difference

True but that difference does not make it not kosher. Every little increase in price will have a better look to it.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #124 on: January 06, 2019, 09:56:38 PM »
Ok 0 poster to add to the discussion...

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #125 on: January 06, 2019, 10:04:05 PM »
I am happy he did it. When I was purchasing mezuzahs for myself, not mivtzoim, I was unable to spend too much money. I went to one of the places in the video and ordered one expensive mezuzah and the rest mivtzoim mezuzahs. The salesman tried to dissuade me from buying the cheaper ones. He said they were 100% kosher, l'chatchilah, only that they were cheap and not good quality. In that situation, my plan was to buy the cheap ones and in time replace them with better ones.

The first time I got them checked, they were all pasul. Not kosher b'dieved, not some of them ok, some not. All pasul. I was furious. As much as I was at fault for cheaping out on the mitzvah, and I certainly should have splurged, he did assure me they were 100% kosher l'chatchilah.

The "expensive" mezuzah (~$150 IIRC) was impeccable. It has been checked by 3 different sofrim over the years, and they have not found even the tiniest blemish.

I am uncertain your exact circumstances of the above story. However I can tell you that there seems to be a divide on how to call a mezuzah kosher lchatchila some sofrim are rushed to call something non-kosher and others have the opinion that they are kosher kist not mehudar. (Seems needs to be explained that means kosher lchatchila and obviously kosher bdieved)
Imagine every time someone goes to a Rav for a Sheila and the Rav will say it's not good. Obviously not because the Rav knows the importance of this matter and would look to make it good to upmost ability. Regarding in safrus there is opinions that hold these mezuzahs are kosher and certain people cannot take that

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #126 on: January 06, 2019, 10:06:21 PM »
I am serious.
 I am sad to see that everyone here is so jaded and doesn’t care less .
May God inspire each of us to achieve our personal best!
It really depends where you're coming from if you view Chabad as a pathway to get closer to hashem, Chillul Hashem and Chillul Lubavitch = Expand "Chillul Getting closer to hashem" aren't to far from each other, however if you view chabad as a international convenience shop you're right.
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #127 on: January 06, 2019, 10:33:35 PM »
I am uncertain your exact circumstances of the above story. However I can tell you that there seems to be a divide on how to call a mezuzah kosher lchatchila some sofrim are rushed to call something non-kosher and others have the opinion that they are kosher kist not mehudar. (Seems needs to be explained that means kosher lchatchila and obviously kosher bdieved)
Imagine every time someone goes to a Rav for a Sheila and the Rav will say it's not good. Obviously not because the Rav knows the importance of this matter and would look to make it good to upmost ability. Regarding in safrus there is opinions that hold these mezuzahs are kosher and certain people cannot take that
If you bothered to join and make an account, please try to post something coherent that we simple people we could understand. I have absolutely no clue what you're trying to say here.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #128 on: January 06, 2019, 10:50:09 PM »
I am uncertain your exact circumstances of the above story. However I can tell you that there seems to be a divide on how to call a mezuzah kosher lchatchila some sofrim are rushed to call something non-kosher and others have the opinion that they are kosher kist not mehudar. (Seems needs to be explained that means kosher lchatchila and obviously kosher bdieved)
Imagine every time someone goes to a Rav for a Sheila and the Rav will say it's not good. Obviously not because the Rav knows the importance of this matter and would look to make it good to upmost ability. Regarding in safrus there is opinions that hold these mezuzahs are kosher and certain people cannot take that
That indeed seems to be the case here. Everything in life has 2 ways of looking at it. Especially safrus.
I understand that many have a hard time with the concept.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #129 on: January 06, 2019, 11:22:09 PM »
This has Nothing to do with any particular website . Look at the comments . They refer to Chilul Chabad . What a terrible Chilul Hashem . To switch Hashem for Chabad ! It’s heartbreaking.
Is this unique to that website ? Or is this a systematic problem ? If so , Are the Rabbonim of Chabad able/ willing to do something about this ?? Did this happen during the years of the Rebbe ??
 ( there is no way it could have  , He was A Tzadik Yesod Olam ! )
You're right. It's terrible how people can act like this. It's mamesh a chilul Lubavitch.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #130 on: January 06, 2019, 11:43:16 PM »
I just went to check the aforementioned website to read the comments.
I am horrified !! When Chabad people talk , They write “this is a Chilul Lubavitch”
How low of a people to switch the term Chilul Hashem for Chilul Lubavitch.
You switch Hashems Honor for Lubavitch ?? 
Of course Moshiach won’t come ! I am disgusted

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #131 on: January 06, 2019, 11:45:33 PM »
Did this happen during the years of the Rebbe ??
 ( there is no way it could have  , He was A Tzadik Yesod Olam ! )

If it did, would you consider that maybe you are the עם הארץ here?

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #132 on: January 06, 2019, 11:56:42 PM »
That indeed seems to be the case here. Everything in life has 2 ways of looking at it. Especially safrus.
I understand that many have a hard time with the concept.
When I buy a mezuzah, I'm no expert, I'm relying on the sofer. If he's relying on opinions which are not widely accepted, he should explain that.
The sofrim have not been explaining that at all. Not even close. It's not necessarily "mezuzah Fraud" but it's dishonesty.
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #133 on: January 06, 2019, 11:57:17 PM »
If it did, would you consider that maybe you are the עם הארץ here?
Because he definitely did, multiple times

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #134 on: January 07, 2019, 12:02:27 AM »
This conversation is so odd
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