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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #150 on: January 07, 2019, 09:24:33 AM »
Back in the day there was some sort of silk "custom" gartel controversy/scam.
I don’t think I ever paid more than $15 for a gartel, if that  (except for the one I bought for someone else at his request).
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #151 on: January 07, 2019, 09:30:22 AM »
I don’t think I ever paid more than $15 for a gartel, if that  (except for the one I bought for someone else at his request).
Let me guess, you actually pay 75c per gartel. You buy a 1.50 gartel and cut into 2.
 
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #152 on: January 07, 2019, 09:31:21 AM »
How can I relax on Hashems Honor ?

I'm sure you get just as worked up when people use נפלה עטרת ראשנו about a person who passes away?

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #153 on: January 07, 2019, 09:47:13 AM »
I'm sure you get just as worked up when people use נפלה עטרת ראשנו about a person who passes away?

How about צהלי ורוני יושבת
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #154 on: January 07, 2019, 10:13:41 AM »
מסכת בבא בתרא
דף עה עמוד ב
אמר רבה אמר רבי יוחנן, עתידין צדיקים שנקראין על שמו של הקב"ה, שנאמר (ישעי' מג, ז) "כל הנקרא בשמי ולכבודי בראתיו יצרתיו אף עשיתיו". ואמר רבי שמואל בר נחמני א"ר יונתן, ג' נקראו על שמו של הקב"ה, ואלו הן: צדיקים ומשיח וירושלים, צדיקים - הא דאמרן, משיח – דכתיב (ירמי' כג, ו) "וזה שמו אשר יקראו ה' צדקנו", ירושלים דכתיב (יחזקאל מח, לה) "סביב שמונה עשר אלף ושם העיר מיום ה' שמה" - אל תקרי שמה אלא שמה. אמר רבי אלעזר, עתידין צדיקים שאומרים לפניהן קדוש כדרך שאומרים לפני הקב"ה, שנאמר (ישעי' ד, ג) "והיה הנשאר בציון והנותר בירושלים קדוש יאמר לו.

:הירושלמי בכורים ג, ג
 "'וה' בהיכל קדשו' (חבקוק ב, כ), הא ר' יצחק בר לעזר בכנישתא מדרתא דקיסרין'

מגלה יח.: "אמר רבי אחא אמר רבי אלעזר, מנין שקראו הקב"ה ליעקב א-ל, שנאמר (בראשית לג, כ) 'ויקרא לו א-ל אלקי ישראל

 רבינו בחיי עה"פ בפר' כי תשא (לג, ז) "והיה כל מבקש ה' יצא אל אהל מועד אשר מחוץ למחנה". וז"ל: "והיה הכתוב ראוי לומר 'כל מבקש משה', אלא מכאן שנקרא משה בשם המיוחד, וכן מצינו שנקרא יעקב בשם א-ל שנאמר 'ויקרא לו א-ל אלקי ישראל'... וכן מצינו ב'שם' הצדיק שנקרא בשם המיוחד, הוא שכתוב (בראשית כה, כב) 'ותלך לדרוש את ה'', וכתיב (שם, כג) 'ויאמר ה' לה', ודרשו חז"ל (ב"ר כ, ו) על ידי שם, כי השם המיוחד לא דיבר עמה כלל וכו', וטעם הדבר בכולם, כי הדבק בדבר נקרא על שם הדבר שידבק בו, ונקרא השליח בשם השולח

"המו"ל שו"ת הרב הגדול מהר"ד ברוך אנגיל, כתב בדברי ההקדמה שלו על הגאון המחבר: "רבינו הגדול והקדוש ברוך הוא


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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #155 on: January 07, 2019, 10:14:11 AM »
Reminds me of the kid who was overheard saying that he is careful never to do any aveiros. When asked why not he replied that he is terrified that if he does an aveira Hashem might tell the Rebbe!

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #156 on: January 07, 2019, 10:15:40 AM »
Let me guess, you actually pay 75c per gartel. You buy a 1.50 gartel and cut into 2.
1. I rarely buy a gartel, as I don't lose them often.

2. I don't buy extra slim fit suits, so half a gartel won't do the job.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2019, 10:28:54 AM by ExGingi »
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #157 on: January 07, 2019, 10:19:43 AM »
When I buy a mezuzah, I'm no expert, I'm relying on the sofer. If he's relying on opinions which are not widely accepted, he should explain that.
The sofrim have not been explaining that at all. Not even close. It's not necessarily "mezuzah Fraud" but it's dishonesty.

Which begs the question - do you buy your mezuzos from a Sofer, or do you buy them from a judaica store salesman?

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #158 on: January 07, 2019, 10:23:31 AM »
Which begs the question - do you buy your mezuzos from a Sofer, or do you buy them from a judaica store salesman?
I bought from a sofer that is highly recommended and regarded.
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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #159 on: January 07, 2019, 10:26:58 AM »

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #160 on: January 07, 2019, 10:28:58 AM »
in general the word חילול is just that - a word. it means desecration. you can not "desecrate" hashem name, you can not "desecrate" shabbos. you can not "desecrate" a jewish grave. you can not "desecrate" a shul. you can not "desecrate" the name of lubavitch. you can not...
nothing to get excited about

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #161 on: January 07, 2019, 10:29:53 AM »
Reminds me of the kid who was overheard saying that he is careful never to do any aveiros. When asked why not he replied that he is terrified that if he does an aveira Hashem might tell the Rebbe!
"making the rebbe proud" is a huge part of lubavicheh chinuch.

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #162 on: January 07, 2019, 10:38:44 AM »
"making the rebbe proud" is a huge part of lubavicheh chinuch.
"so mammy, tatty and hashem will be so proud of me"
im sickened by the fact that they inserted mammy and tatty into such a sentence, and specifically in that order...

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #163 on: January 07, 2019, 11:46:18 AM »
in general the word חילול is just that - a word. it means desecration. you can not "desecrate" hashem name, you can not "desecrate" shabbos. you can not "desecrate" a jewish grave. you can not "desecrate" a shul. you can not "desecrate" the name of lubavitch. you can not...
nothing to get excited about
Thanks. That's what I wanted to say but you put it in words for me.
Which begs the question - do you buy your mezuzos from a Sofer, or do you buy them from a judaica store salesman?
What's the difference?

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Re: Mezuzah Fraud
« Reply #164 on: January 07, 2019, 11:52:57 AM »
When I buy a mezuzah, I'm no expert, I'm relying on the sofer. If he's relying on opinions which are not widely accepted, he should explain that.
The sofrim have not been explaining that at all. Not even close. It's not necessarily "mezuzah Fraud" but it's dishonesty.

You did say that he tried to dissuade you and tell you it's not good quality but when you insisted that that's what you wanted as long as it's Kosher he confirmed that it was Kosher Lechatchila. Do you really expect a seller to tell you something he's selling is not Kosher Lechatchila when according to some opinions it is.
I think at some point, if a seller is telling you that something is Kosher Lechatchila but giving you every reason why not to buy it, the consumer has some responsibility to use his intuition and not to count to much on the statement that it's "Kosher Lechatchila".