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Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« on: September 13, 2011, 10:37:39 AM »
I know Dan once had a great post about whether or not closing down your credit cards hurts your credit. Obviously saving ones credit line and paying your balance a few times a month will stabilize ones credit, and in the long run help your score. However, i understand that with Chase, you can constantly open up new cards, close your old ones and save their credit by transfering over to the new cards to get them approved, but  how does it work with cit bank and especially amex cards. Unless i am missing something, with citibank they dont allow you to transfer over like chase to get new credit cards approved, so if you want to avoid the annual fee after your year is up, do you have to close down the card, is that the only option? Also with Amex, to avoid the annual fee, do you have to close them down as well? Basically how do you salvage your credit lines with Citi and Amex, if they dont allow you to tranfer credit to open up new cards??? Wont these type of cards hurt your credit? please someone educate me.

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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2012, 01:41:09 AM »
I'm pretty sure you can transfer a credit line with citi, I haven't done it yet but I guess I'll let you know

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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2012, 02:04:32 AM »
you can...i have done it several xs

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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2012, 02:20:28 AM »
This is usually the best choice  ;)
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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2012, 09:45:17 AM »
People usually downgrade their Amex card to a Zinc if they want to keep it open and not pay one of the huge fees.

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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2012, 03:58:48 PM »
I'm pretty sure you can transfer a credit line with citi, I haven't done it yet but I guess I'll let you know

  I have 2 Citi personal with 9K and 10K on them . If i close out my Citi Biz can I ask them to transfer anything back to these ?

The Citi Biz was opened 2 months after the 2 personal cards 
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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2012, 04:02:21 PM »
I was told not to cancel the 1st credit card you opened. Keeping you 1st card helps your credit.

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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 03:47:29 AM »
I was told not to cancel the 1st credit card you opened. Keeping you 1st card helps your credit.
I don't believe there has been a 100% clear answer regarding the veracity of that statement..
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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2012, 07:05:42 AM »
I don't believe there has been a 100% clear answer regarding the veracity of that statement..
There will never be 100% clear answer. A rule of thumb to go by is closing a card will not help your credit. Will closing a card hurt your credit? That depends on the individual credit file.
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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2012, 07:22:42 AM »
People usually downgrade their Amex card to a Zinc if they want to keep it open and not pay one of the huge fees.

And then, what do you do when you do get your new card?  Close your zync?  So you wind up closing a card, or not?
Good thing?  Bad thing?

Also, you are downgrading to the zync taking for granted that you will be approved for whichever card you apply for next..
But what do you do if you're declined?  You are stuck with this useless zync and all your MRPoints can't be converted into miles?

I'm 'bit perplexed here..   :-\


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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2012, 08:09:51 AM »
I was told not to cancel the 1st credit card you opened. Keeping you 1st card helps your credit.
I don't believe there has been a 100% clear answer regarding the veracity of that statement..
It's very clear that the average age of accounts affects your credit greatly
it also simple math that closing your oldest card will bring down the average age except by amex possibly where they continue to count closed cards
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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2012, 08:42:01 AM »
It's very clear that the average age of accounts affects your credit greatly
it also simple math that closing your oldest card will bring down the average age except by amex possibly where they continue to count closed cards
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False, a closed card still counts for average age for at least a decade by which point you'll have other older cards.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2012, 12:32:01 PM »
do you know this for a fact (by other issuers besides for amex)

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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2012, 03:27:36 PM »
do you know this for a fact (by other issuers besides for amex)
It has nothing to do with the CC issuer.
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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2012, 09:52:13 PM »
False, a closed card still counts for average age for at least a decade by which point you'll have other older cards.
Is that the bottom line? I hope so...
Any source for that?
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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2012, 09:56:56 PM »
do you know this for a fact (by other issuers besides for amex)
It has nothing to do with the CC issuer.
+1, The only "edge" that Amex has over other banks is that all new cards show up with the same age as the 1st Amex card, but regarding closing if you close an Amex card the effect would be the same as closing any other bank's card.
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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2013, 12:03:23 AM »
but  how does it work with cit bank and especially amex cards.
I'm searching around for a while trying to figure out if i could transfer my credit line from my amex spg card to my spg biz card?
anyone ever transferred credit line with amex before?

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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2013, 12:23:21 AM »
I believe Amex personal to business is a no go. Personal to personal is doable online.

Has anyone been successful with Citi lately? Did they really stop transferring CL's?

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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2013, 12:46:40 AM »
anyone ever transferred credit line with amex before?
Used to be simple. Now they don't let unless the account is 13 months old.

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Re: Closing Down Amex Cards/ Citi Cards
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2013, 12:55:09 AM »
Used to be simple. Now they don't let unless the account is 13 months old.
Not correct. It can be done at any time but it is not easy.

ETA: The not easy part is if you don't have the online option to move your CL around.
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