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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2019, 11:57:51 PM »
So what's the story these days? Reliable or not?

I'm flying our of FRA next week...
AYLOR and BYOK (since you never know what might happen).
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2019, 11:58:47 PM »
So what's the story these days? Reliable or not?

I'm flying our of FRA next week...
Definitely assur mediarisa, but it's the best hechsher you'll find in all of Europe.
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2019, 12:02:51 AM »
AYLOR and BYOK (since you never know what might happen).

My LOR knows less than nothing about the kashrus situation in Frankfurt...

Definitely assur mediarisa

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2019, 12:16:03 AM »
My LOR knows less than nothing about the kashrus situation in Frankfurt...
Ask the OU or CRC for their off the record opinion?
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2019, 12:28:32 AM »
Ask the OU or CRC for their off the record opinion?
Will they give one?

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2019, 12:31:01 AM »
Will they give one?
IME, yes. They'll say it's recommended, it's not recommended, or they don't know.
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #47 on: March 26, 2019, 02:59:38 AM »
There is an organization called Ako (http://www.akokosher.org)
I asked one of its members and he asked about it on their WhatsApp group and this was the response.

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #48 on: March 26, 2019, 03:15:08 PM »
so....if lets say im flying Lufthansa tom is it the KSML ok or not?

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #49 on: March 26, 2019, 03:17:36 PM »
so....if lets say im flying Lufthansa tom is it the KSML ok or not?
AYLOR or kashrus agency.
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #50 on: March 26, 2019, 03:32:11 PM »
I just spoke to a large kashrus agency. They were aware of the fact that the old hechsher was removed, but they had no opinion on the current one. They are looking into it and will give me an answer tomorrow.
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #51 on: March 26, 2019, 03:44:57 PM »
I just spoke to a large kashrus agency. They were aware of the fact that the old hechsher was removed, but they had no opinion on the current one. They are looking into it and will give me an answer tomorrow.
Let us know if you get an update

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2019, 03:46:08 PM »
Let us know if you get an update

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #53 on: March 26, 2019, 03:47:05 PM »
European kashrus politics often makes the nonsense in Israel seem simple.

Best not to make blanket statements until all the proper research is done.

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #54 on: March 26, 2019, 03:57:15 PM »
European kashrus politics often makes the nonsense in Israel seem simple.

Best not to make blanket statements until all the proper research is done.

When politics is involved it is nearly impossible to get a real answer. The best I can hope for is for a kashrus professional whom I trust to give me guidance based on his research, and to BYOK as always.
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #55 on: March 26, 2019, 04:16:12 PM »
European kashrus politics often makes the nonsense in Israel seem simple.

Best not to make blanket statements until all the proper research is done.
FTFY

Though, all politics aside, insiders seem to agree that most European kashrus certifications (with few exceptions) aren't as good/competent as US and some Israeli agencies.
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #56 on: March 26, 2019, 04:16:32 PM »

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #57 on: March 26, 2019, 04:17:20 PM »
BYOK from NY?

Sure, you can bring shelf stable kosher a-la Stogel...  ;D
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #58 on: March 26, 2019, 04:39:02 PM »
Sure, you can bring shelf stable kosher a-la Stogel...  ;D
Mealmart shelf stable is 10x better than Stogel.

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #59 on: March 26, 2019, 04:45:25 PM »
Mealmart shelf stable is 10x better than Stogel.

I'm sure it is, but they aren't specifically geared for air travel like Stogel.
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