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Would you buy a German car?

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #75 on: May 08, 2016, 04:51:57 PM »
I would suggest that this entire discussion is based on feelings, and not on any absolute logic.

I might feel a certain way, and might even be repulsed by other people's actions which are incongruent with my feelings, but I would never criticize them as I realize that those are my feelings and not everyone feels the same way. I am unaware of any Halachic issue with using German cars or other German manufactured items, which would make it incumbent on me to express any מחאה.
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #76 on: May 08, 2016, 08:51:40 PM »
From the Lubavitcher Rebbe:

Greeting and Blessing;

I am in receipt of your letter in which you ask my opinion "as to whether it is a weakness or impropriety" to avoid the purchase of goods made in Germany. You add that you ask this question as a Jew, in light of Jewish law and custom.

Surely this is more a matter of feeling rather than a question of Jewish law and custom. Consequently, as in all matters of sentiment, it is difficult to express an opinion that would have universal application.

At any rate it certainly cannot be categorized as a "weakness". On the contrary, a decision of this kind bespeaks strength of will, all the more so since it entails some inconvenience.

Nor can it be considered an "impropriety", since it is based on a principle which may be considered to come under the category of "Remember what Amalek did unto you". For, as is well known, the inhuman atrocities, etc., against our defenseless and innocent brethren were not perpetrated by a small group, but were carried out with the knowledge, consent and even cooperation of the vast majority of the German nation. Moreover, I do not think than anyone seriously believes that the Germany of today is entirely different from the Germany of two decades ago.

While on this subject a point must be made which, unfortunately, is often overlooked. It is that the so-called "Final Solution", which Hitler wished to bring about, can take various forms. It can take the form of an overt attempt at physical extermination, or it can be an insidious process which is no less destructive and perhaps even more so, namely, through assimilation and intermarriage, a process which began in Germany long before Hitler, when Jews tried to hide their Jewish identity and conduct their daily life like their German neighbors and associates, etc. This process, most unfortunately, is very much in evidence all around us. Whatever explanation may be given, the effect is the same. Hitler, too, had a "philosophy" that "justified" his actions.

It is too painful of a subject to dwell on here, but the conclusion is obvious. Each and every one of us who is aware of the situation must do everything possible to counteract the tide of assimilation by positive and dedicated action, to strengthen the eternal Jewish values and Torah-true institutions in his community and environment.

With blessing,

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #77 on: May 08, 2016, 08:56:06 PM »
Interesting letter.
I guess the crux of the question is whether the German nation changed. The Rebbe says that two decades later that it did not. That makes sense, as that very generation perpetrated the crimes.

But now we're 8 decades later and 98% have died out. But there are still survivors on the German and Jewish side of the Holocaust.
So like I said before:
it's a proximity thing. In another generation or 2 tops it'll be gone.

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #78 on: May 08, 2016, 09:51:55 PM »
In Israel German cars are extremely common.

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #79 on: May 08, 2016, 10:28:04 PM »
Like I said, it's a proximity thing. In another generation or 2 tops it'll be gone.

+1

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #80 on: May 08, 2016, 10:55:45 PM »
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In another generation or 2 we will be living in ימות המשיח!
Amen!
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #81 on: May 08, 2016, 11:24:03 PM »
Are all playmobile made in Germany?
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #82 on: May 09, 2016, 07:42:13 AM »
From the Lubavitcher Rebbe:

Greeting and Blessing;

I am in receipt of your letter in which you ask my opinion "as to whether it is a weakness or impropriety" to avoid the purchase of goods made in Germany. You add that you ask this question as a Jew, in light of Jewish law and custom.

Surely this is more a matter of feeling rather than a question of Jewish law and custom. Consequently, as in all matters of sentiment, it is difficult to express an opinion that would have universal application.

At any rate it certainly cannot be categorized as a "weakness". On the contrary, a decision of this kind bespeaks strength of will, all the more so since it entails some inconvenience.

Nor can it be considered an "impropriety", since it is based on a principle which may be considered to come under the category of "Remember what Amalek did unto you". For, as is well known, the inhuman atrocities, etc., against our defenseless and innocent brethren were not perpetrated by a small group, but were carried out with the knowledge, consent and even cooperation of the vast majority of the German nation. Moreover, I do not think than anyone seriously believes that the Germany of today is entirely different from the Germany of two decades ago.

While on this subject a point must be made which, unfortunately, is often overlooked. It is that the so-called "Final Solution", which Hitler wished to bring about, can take various forms. It can take the form of an overt attempt at physical extermination, or it can be an insidious process which is no less destructive and perhaps even more so, namely, through assimilation and intermarriage, a process which began in Germany long before Hitler, when Jews tried to hide their Jewish identity and conduct their daily life like their German neighbors and associates, etc. This process, most unfortunately, is very much in evidence all around us. Whatever explanation may be given, the effect is the same. Hitler, too, had a "philosophy" that "justified" his actions.

It is too painful of a subject to dwell on here, but the conclusion is obvious. Each and every one of us who is aware of the situation must do everything possible to counteract the tide of assimilation by positive and dedicated action, to strengthen the eternal Jewish values and Torah-true institutions in his community and environment.

With blessing,
I like how he subtly suggested positive actions (anti assimilation), in response to the ongoing battle against Germany and what it represents to Jews. Instead of just rejecting their products.

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #83 on: May 09, 2016, 11:28:48 AM »
From the Lubavitcher Rebbe:

Greeting and Blessing;

I am in receipt of your letter in which you ask my opinion "as to whether it is a weakness or impropriety" to avoid the purchase of goods made in Germany. You add that you ask this question as a Jew, in light of Jewish law and custom.

Surely this is more a matter of feeling rather than a question of Jewish law and custom. Consequently, as in all matters of sentiment, it is difficult to express an opinion that would have universal application.

At any rate it certainly cannot be categorized as a "weakness". On the contrary, a decision of this kind bespeaks strength of will, all the more so since it entails some inconvenience.

Nor can it be considered an "impropriety", since it is based on a principle which may be considered to come under the category of "Remember what Amalek did unto you". For, as is well known, the inhuman atrocities, etc., against our defenseless and innocent brethren were not perpetrated by a small group, but were carried out with the knowledge, consent and even cooperation of the vast majority of the German nation. Moreover, I do not think than anyone seriously believes that the Germany of today is entirely different from the Germany of two decades ago.

While on this subject a point must be made which, unfortunately, is often overlooked. It is that the so-called "Final Solution", which Hitler wished to bring about, can take various forms. It can take the form of an overt attempt at physical extermination, or it can be an insidious process which is no less destructive and perhaps even more so, namely, through assimilation and intermarriage, a process which began in Germany long before Hitler, when Jews tried to hide their Jewish identity and conduct their daily life like their German neighbors and associates, etc. This process, most unfortunately, is very much in evidence all around us. Whatever explanation may be given, the effect is the same. Hitler, too, had a "philosophy" that "justified" his actions.

It is too painful of a subject to dwell on here, but the conclusion is obvious. Each and every one of us who is aware of the situation must do everything possible to counteract the tide of assimilation by positive and dedicated action, to strengthen the eternal Jewish values and Torah-true institutions in his community and environment.

With blessing,
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #84 on: May 09, 2016, 11:37:45 AM »
I'll just point out anecdotally, that growing up, I pretty much never saw any German cars in my parent's neighborhood (Lawrence), and now they're all over the place. Whether that's a function of changing attitudes, or changing demographics - who knows.

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #85 on: May 09, 2016, 11:41:26 AM »
I'll just point out anecdotally, that growing up, I pretty much never saw any German cars in my parent's neighborhood (Lawrence), and now they're all over the place. Whether that's a function of changing attitudes, or changing demographics - who knows.
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #86 on: March 25, 2019, 04:35:49 PM »
Like I said, it's a proximity thing. In another generation or 2 tops it'll be gone.

Though, articles like this might revive the issue:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-25/billionaire-reimann-family-confronts-ancestors-nazi-regime-ties?srnd=premium
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #87 on: March 25, 2019, 07:17:01 PM »
In Israel German cars are extremely common.
Because of war reparations, they're subsidized and are relatively cheap.

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Re: German Cars
« Reply #88 on: March 25, 2019, 08:01:55 PM »
Because of war reparations, they're subsidized and are relatively cheap.

Kind of the same reason Israel was buying submarines from a German company, they get preferential terms from German companies.
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Re: German Cars
« Reply #89 on: March 25, 2019, 10:08:11 PM »
+1

Magic Mill doesn't come close.


-10

the fact that the Ankarsrum (Magic Mill's new name) retails for $699 and the Magic Mill retails for $399 says it all.

Which is precisely why it's an unfair comparison. The Bosch doesn't have a good alternative unless you want to pay double the price. When it comes to luxury cars however there are plenty.

Hugo Boss is another obvious one to point out. Here are some more.

https://11points.com/11-companies-surprisingly-collaborated-nazis/