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Will be grateful if anyone can help . An elderly family friend is trying to locate and visit a village her mother was born in, that would be in December 1914. She needs to find out in what country was this jewish village in 1914 and what country is it in now?
What I understood from her is this was a jewish village on the borders of Poland and Ukraine, she thinks in 1914 it might have been part of the Austro Hungarian empire, but not sure.

To the best I understand from her spelling, the village was called Gusatin or Gusyatino , if anyone can read Russian here is the name in Russian that she gave me гусятино

Thanks for any help.

« Last Edit: February 28, 2019, 08:00:09 PM by ludmila »
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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2019, 07:45:19 PM »
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%83%D1%81%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD


"On August 9, 1914, the Russian Army crossed the Zabrotz River and attacked Austria through Gusyatin. Fires in the town destroyed more than 600 buildings. The Jews dispersed among neighboring towns and villages to avoid the oncoming armies. Many died from typhus as local conditions deteriorated. Jews were ordered out of Gusyatin in on June 13, 1915, but many made their way back into the town. When the Russian Army retreated in 1916, the remaining Jews were ordered into exile again, this time to the Kiev district of Russia. Raids from peasant gangs plagued the few Jews that returned to the town after the war in 1918 to 1919. Then the Bolsheviks came to power and confiscated property from Jewish-owned businesses. By 1921, the Jewish population had declined to 368, less than 10 percent of the peak population in 1890."  http://jewua.org/husiatyn/

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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2019, 07:59:36 PM »
Thank you so much. So currently it is in Ukraine, and in 1914 or before 1918 was it part of Poland, Austria or Hungary?
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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2019, 08:02:16 PM »
Husiatyn
populer chasidishe rabbe was there

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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2019, 08:05:13 PM »
Thank you so much. So currently it is in Ukraine, and in 1914 or before 1918 was it part of Poland, Austria or Hungary?
it comes right up on google with maps and all

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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2019, 08:12:31 PM »
it comes right up on google with maps and all
Thank you, I see now that it is part of Ukraine, she wants to find out which country her mother was born in, she was born in December 1914, any idea in which country Husityn was in December 1914, it is unclear to her if it was Poland, Austria or Hungary? TIA
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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2019, 08:13:16 PM »
off topic. how could i find a place lets say bardishiv which i don't know the name called today. any way to figure it out?

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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2019, 08:22:40 PM »
off topic. how could i find a place lets say bardishiv which i don't know the name called today. any way to figure it out?
Did you mean Berdychiv?
What a coincidence?? This friend who I am helping to find in which country Husiatyn was in December 1914 ,so she'll know what country her mother was born in, her father was born in
Berdychiv ,Ukraine.
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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2019, 08:25:46 PM »
Maybe contact the local heritage museum. They may be able to help..


. Husyatyn Local History Museum
Ternopil's'ka str. 5, Husyatyn, Ternopil's'ka oblast, Ukraine, 48200
+380 3557 21932
https://goo.gl/maps/eHk7y8nM8n82

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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2019, 08:28:22 PM »
Maybe contact the local heritage museum. They may be able to help..


. Husyatyn Local History Museum
Ternopil's'ka str. 5, Husyatyn, Ternopil's'ka oblast, Ukraine, 48200
+380 3557 21932
https://goo.gl/maps/eHk7y8nM8n82
Thank you , good idea.
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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2019, 08:46:44 PM »
I sent a link of this post to a friend of mine and he responded:

https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1039957&scale=K

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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2019, 08:57:49 PM »
I sent a link of this post to a friend of mine and he responded:

https://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/community.php?usbgn=-1039957&scale=K
Great info, thank you . Looking at the dates it shows c 1900 before the war Austrian Empire  and c 1930 as Poland. So if she was born in December 1914 would you say it was in the Austrian Empire or Poland?
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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2019, 11:15:47 PM »
Great info, thank you . Looking at the dates it shows c 1900 before the war Austrian Empire  and c 1930 as Poland. So if she was born in December 1914 would you say it was in the Austrian Empire or Poland?

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Austria. Unless it was after July 1914, when WW1 began. After July 1914 the war began, and there were few, if any, records kept.
Once the war was over, from about 1918, Husiatyn was under Poland.

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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2019, 11:36:29 PM »
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Austria. Unless it was after July 1914, when WW1 began. After July 1914 the war began, and there were few, if any, records kept.
Once the war was over, from about 1918, Husiatyn was under Poland.

Thank you, I see now that it is part of Ukraine, she wants to find out which country her mother was born in, she was born in December 1914, any idea in which country Husityn was in December 1914, it is unclear to her if it was Poland, Austria or Hungary? TIA

Mass confusion

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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2019, 01:52:36 AM »

Thank you. So in her case born in December 1914 you say it was Austria.
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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2019, 02:01:39 AM »
Mass confusion
The Austro Hungarian empire collapsed in 1918, so it looks like this is the least confusing answer :)
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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2019, 02:22:34 AM »
Thank you. So in her case born in December 1914 you say it was Austria.
I understood it, that once WWI started the border was not definitive until it was reestablised as Polish in 1918

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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2019, 07:59:38 AM »
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[3/1, 7:41 AM]: I say it was during the war and you need to check what country husiatyn was in at that exact time. If the war hit there already etc.
 However, generally during a war alot of this info was lost or not documented properly
[3/1, 7:52 AM]: I think it remained under Austria until 1918. But it's hard to know because it was in the path of the war. So it may have changed over those years
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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2019, 04:26:19 PM »

Thanks. I'll keep trying to see if I can get her a definite answer.
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Re: Help about a 1914 jewish village that probably does not exist today
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2019, 06:17:49 AM »
Thanks. I'll keep trying to see if I can get her a definite answer.
based on this it seems like the Russians controlled it then
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%83%D1%81%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD


"On August 9, 1914, the Russian Army crossed the Zabrotz River and attacked Austria through Gusyatin. Fires in the town destroyed more than 600 buildings. The Jews dispersed among neighboring towns and villages to avoid the oncoming armies. Many died from typhus as local conditions deteriorated. Jews were ordered out of Gusyatin in on June 13, 1915, but many made their way back into the town. When the Russian Army retreated in 1916, the remaining Jews were ordered into exile again, this time to the Kiev district of Russia. Raids from peasant gangs plagued the few Jews that returned to the town after the war in 1918 to 1919. Then the Bolsheviks came to power and confiscated property from Jewish-owned businesses. By 1921, the Jewish population had declined to 368, less than 10 percent of the peak population in 1890."  http://jewua.org/husiatyn/