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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2019, 01:38:25 PM »
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Please remove @Denverite's post. Many of the points there are off mark and it will probably be quoted in an article that will be published soon, IMHO.
calling out an entire group of people most of whom are legitimately doing nothing wrong, is disgusting. Call out the thieves, don't blame the community. Yes, most people here are opportunists, not shady characters and no one here believes in stealing from non Jews, our coffee of law clearly prohibits that. Look up shulchan aruch. Stop spreading hate and giving legitimacy to mein kampf or protocols of the elders of Zion. Everyone here knows you're lying, but a non Jews reading this forum might say "hey, maybe it's true..." So basically you are trying to hate on hareidi Jews and pretending that there is even a single one who allowed stealing- totally against halacha!!!
I doubt denverite meant anything malicious. But it would not surprise me if people (even other frum Jews) view many in the yeshivish/chasidish communities as not caring about secular law. Warranted or not, that's the stereotype.
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2019, 01:44:18 PM »
I doubt denverite meant anything malicious. But it would not surprise me if people (even other frum Jews) view many in the yeshivish/chasidish communities as not caring about secular law.

It's not that they don't care, they literally don't know.

I remember during the prior govt shutdown (not the most recent one) one of the chasiddish guys that works in the tax dept by us needed to call the irs and he kept calling and calling until someone finally said "hello, the irs is closed because of the shutdown" the poor guy looked so confused. To this day I'm not sure he knows what a shutdown is or means but he does now know that you can't call the irs when there is a shutdown.
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2019, 02:12:38 PM »
It's not that they don't care, they literally don't know.

I remember during the prior govt shutdown (not the most recent one) one of the chasiddish guys that works in the tax dept by us needed to call the irs and he kept calling and calling until someone finally said "hello, the irs is closed because of the shutdown" the poor guy looked so confused. To this day I'm not sure he knows what a shutdown is or means but he does now know that you can't call the irs when there is a shutdown.

Reminds me of the guy who allegedly tried to avoid tax at the DMV by paying in cash.

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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2019, 02:52:48 PM »
Reminds me of the guy who allegedly tried to avoid tax at the DMV by paying in cash.

And just yesterday I bought something in a very non-Jewish store, gave the cashier my credit card to pay, and was told "you know if you pay by CC we'll need to charge you tax, right?"

Tell me again how this is a Jewish issue.
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2019, 02:57:17 PM »
Chinese snooker place in Manhattan had an 8% 'Cash discount'..

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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2019, 03:00:36 PM »
And just yesterday I bought something in a very non-Jewish store, gave the cashier my credit card to pay, and was told "you know if you pay by CC we'll need to charge you tax, right?"

Tell me again how this is a Jewish issue.

Yup. went to a geico approved mechanic in NY and they asked me to bring cash for a much better rate. Its not purely a jewish thing.

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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2019, 03:07:15 PM »
Same thing happened when an electrician listed on Tesla's site came to install a Tesla home charger in my house.
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2019, 03:10:04 PM »
Same thing happened when an electrician listed on Tesla's site came to install a Tesla home charger in my house.

Only way to have this not happen is to go the Indian way (partially adopted in Israel) - ban Cash. (Did I hear anyone say let's start accumulating gold and silver coins?)
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2019, 03:10:06 PM »
Same thing happened when an electrician listed on Tesla's site came to install a Tesla home charger in my house.

He said it will be tax-free if you pay in cash?

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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #54 on: March 04, 2019, 03:11:41 PM »
And just yesterday I bought something in a very non-Jewish store, gave the cashier my credit card to pay, and was told "you know if you pay by CC we'll need to charge you tax, right?"

Tell me again how this is a Jewish issue.
What’s the difference between non-Jewish and very non-Jewish ;)

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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2019, 03:12:47 PM »
Only way to have this not happen is to go the Indian way (partially adopted in Israel) - ban Cash. (Did I hear anyone say let's start accumulating gold and silver coins?)

well if you get rid of income and sales tax that would also work  :P

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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2019, 03:14:52 PM »
He said it will be tax-free if you pay in cash?
He said he could knock 10% off if I paid cash.
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #57 on: March 04, 2019, 03:17:57 PM »
He said he could knock 10% off if I paid cash.

Thats totally reasonable and would hold true in any demographic. I was specifically referring to taxes.

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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #58 on: March 04, 2019, 03:23:28 PM »
Yup. went to a geico approved mechanic in NY and they asked me to bring cash for a much better rate. Its not purely a jewish thing.
"not purely a Jewish thing"

I have seen plenty of fraud, theft, tax aversion etc etc by non Jews at every socioeconomic level.

People's (frum ppl!) perception that "Jews" are more dishonest is a big pet peeve... It's terrible.

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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2019, 03:26:18 PM »
Thats totally reasonable and would hold true in any demographic. I was specifically referring to taxes.
So it's bad to knock off 9% but totally reasonable  to knock off 10% for a cash payment demand?
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