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Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« on: March 04, 2019, 11:30:27 PM »
Zev Brenner interview:
https://www.mixcloud.com/zev-brenner/talkline-with-zev-brenner-on-credit-card-scams-affecting-the-orthodox-jewish-community/

I just heard this interview. Excellent job. it's a start. As Dan said, "financial literacy" is a TOP priority to teach our children in school.
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2019, 02:23:44 AM »
As Dan said, "financial literacy" is a TOP priority to teach our children in school.
I respectfully disagree. Its important but it doesn't belong in a yeshiva. A yeshiva isn't business school.

You'll ask me so why is it worse than math science...? I'll answer that those don't take away from the goal of a frum person. They're there for various reasons. To give more structure to the day of a child. To make the child sharper. And possibly also to qualify for government funding.

That's just my feelings about it.

ETA: Just to clarify a little. I feel like the math, science... isn't being taught to learn it. It's being taught for the reasons stated above. On the other hand if you're teaching financial literacy it's being taught for itself. Which I think is a problem.
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2019, 02:26:09 AM »
I respectfully disagree. Its important but it doesn't belong in a yeshiva. A yeshiva isn't business school.

You'll ask me so why is it worse than math science...? I'll answer that those don't take away from the goal of a frum person. They're there for various reasons. To give more structure to the day of a child. To make the child sharper. And possibly also to qualify for government funding.

That's just my feelings about it.

Financial literacy takes away from the goal of a frum person?!?!


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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2019, 02:41:58 AM »
Financial literacy takes away from the goal of a frum person?!?!
It's hard for me to explain exactly why I feel that way. It could be I'm wrong.

I'm too tired now to think properly I'll try to respond tomorrow.
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2019, 02:44:35 AM »
I respectfully disagree. Its important but it doesn't belong in a yeshiva. A yeshiva isn't business school.

You'll ask me so why is it worse than math science...? I'll answer that those don't take away from the goal of a frum person. They're there for various reasons. To give more structure to the day of a child. To make the child sharper. And possibly also to qualify for government funding.

That's just my feelings about it.
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2019, 07:01:47 AM »
I respectfully disagree. Its important but it doesn't belong in a yeshiva. A yeshiva isn't business school.

You'll ask me so why is it worse than math science...? I'll answer that those don't take away from the goal of a frum person. They're there for various reasons. To give more structure to the day of a child. To make the child sharper. And possibly also to qualify for government funding.

That's just my feelings about it.

ETA: Just to clarify a little. I feel like the math, science... isn't being taught to learn it. It's being taught for the reasons stated above. On the other hand if you're teaching financial literacy it's being taught for itself. Which I think is a problem.
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2019, 07:02:55 AM »
I respectfully disagree. Its important but it doesn't belong in a yeshiva. A yeshiva isn't business school.

You'll ask me so why is it worse than math science...? I'll answer that those don't take away from the goal of a frum person. They're there for various reasons. To give more structure to the day of a child. To make the child sharper. And possibly also to qualify for government funding.

That's just my feelings about it.

ETA: Just to clarify a little. I feel like the math, science... isn't being taught to learn it. It's being taught for the reasons stated above. On the other hand if you're teaching financial literacy it's being taught for itself. Which I think is a problem.
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2019, 07:35:47 AM »
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2019, 07:54:52 AM »
I respectfully disagree. Its important but it doesn't belong in a yeshiva. A yeshiva isn't business school.

You'll ask me so why is it worse than math science...? I'll answer that those don't take away from the goal of a frum person. They're there for various reasons. To give more structure to the day of a child. To make the child sharper. And possibly also to qualify for government funding.

That's just my feelings about it.

ETA: Just to clarify a little. I feel like the math, science... isn't being taught to learn it. It's being taught for the reasons stated above. On the other hand if you're teaching financial literacy it's being taught for itself. Which I think is a problem.
Huh?
Edit: Huh?
My thoughts exactly.

One thing i can tell you is that I have seen numerous people misunderstand sugyos and issue wrong piskei halacha due to their lack of understanding of math and science. For many years people came to me in bais eliyahu and its successors to explain mathematical aspects of sugyos.
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2019, 07:58:34 AM »
My thoughts exactly.

One thing i can tell you is that I have seen numerous people misunderstand sugyos and issue wrong piskei halacha due to their lack of understanding of math and science. For many years people came to me in bais eliyahu and its successors to explain mathematical aspects of sugyos.

What are you advocating? That everyone take math and science courses before learning halacha lemaaseh?

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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2019, 08:05:57 AM »
It's hard for me to explain exactly why I feel that way. It could be I'm wrong.

I'm too tired now to think properly I'll try to respond tomorrow.
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2019, 08:09:53 AM »
What are you advocating? That everyone take math and science courses before learning halacha lemaaseh?
Why is it one or the other?

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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2019, 08:11:30 AM »
My thoughts exactly.

One thing i can tell you is that I have seen numerous people misunderstand sugyos and issue wrong piskei halacha due to their lack of understanding of math and science. For many years people came to me in bais eliyahu and its successors to explain mathematical aspects of sugyos.
If they never spent a good few months in Cheder (probably 5th or 6th grade) learning פרשת משפטים, you would be lacking fundamentals required for סדר נזיקין.
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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2019, 08:11:45 AM »
What are you advocating? That everyone take math and science courses before learning halacha lemaaseh?

You can not learn anything lemaaseh if you don't know metzius.  Math is metzius.  Lot's of halacha depends on a metzius which nowadays is covered by science.   While every community decides for themselves how and to what extent to teach them, to say that knowledge of math and science is the antithesis of being a frum Jew is not just wrong, it is ludicrous.

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Re: Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2019, 08:12:30 AM »
You can not learn anything lemaaseh if you don't know metzius.  Math is metzius.  Lot's of halacha depends on a metzius which nowadays is covered by science.   While every community decides for themselves how and to what extent to teach them, to say that knowledge of math and science is the antithesis of being a frum Jew is not just wrong, it is ludicrous.
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