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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #75 on: March 06, 2019, 03:18:58 PM »
Since when is knowing how to write checks part of financial literacy? That's a technical skill.

However, knowing what a check is, is definitely financial literacy. And I would argue that anyone who learned Yeshivishe Masechtos would have a much better grasp of what a check is, than any high-school graduate that took a course in financial literacy.
That doesn't matter, clearly it hadn't helped has it?
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #76 on: March 06, 2019, 03:29:06 PM »
Sure. See the entire Perek Hazahav. Also, the countless times throughout the Gemara where it discusses fluctuating currency values, method of payments, etc.I STRONGLY disagree. May I suggest there are possibly Gemaros and Halachos you havenít yet covered properly?

@aygart, as our resident posek, do you agree that there are lessons about modern day finances that cannot be gleaned from proper Torah study? I donít consider this a Choshen Mishpat shayla ;)
I distinguish between cannot and are not. It is unlikely that a typical high school kid will get enough from his Torah studies alone. Bringing the abstract to a practical discussion (per @mmgfarb ) that would be a reason to make sure that they do learn it on some level.

Using Torah as a springboard to teach it is a questionable practice since it is somewhat against רבי צדוק אומר, אל תעשם עטרה להתגדל בהם, ולא קרדום לחפור בהם
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #77 on: March 06, 2019, 03:36:16 PM »
I distinguish between cannot and are not. It is unlikely that a typical high school kid will get enough from his Torah studies alone.
Exactly, thank you.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #78 on: March 06, 2019, 03:39:33 PM »
Exactly, thank you.
To be clear though, my kids do not learn this in yeshiva. They learn it at home very regularly. I would be concerned over them teaching it in yeshiva for a number of reasons. Foremost among them that I would have no way of knowing if the teacher is adequately literate.
Either way, part of financial literacy is understanding that people need likes to feed their kids.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #79 on: March 06, 2019, 03:45:08 PM »
To be clear though, my kids do not learn this in yeshiva. They learn it at home very regularly. I would be concerned over them teaching it in yeshiva for a number of reasons. Foremost among them that I would have no way of knowing if the teacher is adequately literate.
Either way, part of financial literacy is understanding that people need likes to feed their kids.

That's why someone has to create an approved financial literacy course for yeshivas. Maybe a DD Agudah course :)
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #80 on: March 06, 2019, 03:45:32 PM »
To be clear though, my kids do not learn this in yeshiva. They learn it at home very regularly. I would be concerned over them teaching it in yeshiva for a number of reasons. Foremost among them that I would have no way of knowing if the teacher is adequately literate.
Either way, part of financial literacy is understanding that people need likes to feed their kids.
I agree, I think it's much better to teach your kids about fiscal responsibility than to rely on someone else. I wasn't even the one advocating for a course to be added to yeshiva curriculum per se, I was mainly trying to understand why so many people seem to have such an aversion to the idea of it at all and why people have the notion that it can or should be gleaned from limud torah alone.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #81 on: March 06, 2019, 03:45:53 PM »
That's why someone has to create an approved financial literacy course for yeshivas. Maybe a DD Agudah course :)
Or DDS in every school.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #82 on: March 06, 2019, 03:46:57 PM »
Or DDS in every school.
Just have to make a text book, then no need for Dan to do it.

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« Reply #83 on: March 06, 2019, 03:48:06 PM »
Just have to make a text book, then no need for Dan to do it.

Actually been wanting to do this for a while now.
Great business idea, textbook companies make bank.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #84 on: March 06, 2019, 03:48:23 PM »
That's why someone has to create an approved financial literacy course for yeshivas. Maybe a DD Agudah course :)
Who will approve it? What will their agenda be?
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #85 on: March 06, 2019, 03:49:24 PM »
Who will approve it? What will their agenda be?
The Agudah comes to mind, I don't know much about rabbinic approvals though.

The agenda is to be torah true in a short and simple course to teach financial literacy and responsibility.
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« Reply #86 on: March 06, 2019, 03:52:28 PM »
The Agudah comes to mind, I don't know much about rabbinic approvals though.

The agenda is to be torah true in a short and simple course to teach financial literacy and responsibility.

Because everyone just loves the Aguda's agendas.
I didn't ask what the agenda should be but rather what the agenda of the ones making the course would be.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #87 on: March 06, 2019, 04:01:54 PM »
That doesn't matter, clearly it hadn't helped has it?

Well, they might have simply not learned it properly.

I distinguish between cannot and are not. It is unlikely that a typical high school kid will get enough from his Torah studies alone. Bringing the abstract to a practical discussion (per @mmgfarb ) that would be a reason to make sure that they do learn it on some level.
It's a huge problem if people "learn" Gemara and totally miss the practical application of it.

Using Torah as a springboard to teach it is a questionable practice since it is somewhat against רבי צדוק אומר, אל תעשם עטרה להתגדל בהם, ולא קרדום לחפור בהם
Not advocating using it as a springboard to teach anything, but when you have a decent command of Aramaic due to your Torah studies and doing שנים מקרא ואחד תרגום, no one would say that you used Torah as a springboard, but you did acquire the knowledge.

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2019, 04:07:20 PM »
Well, they might have simply not learned it properly.
It's a huge problem if people "learn" Gemara and totally miss the practical application of it.


Pet peeve of mine. After spending a few weeks on a sugyo and someone asks you something about a practical application of it you better be able to say something more than you think that according to the way you clered in the second tzad of R' Boruch Ber the rashba might hold a certain way in his kashya.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2019, 04:14:28 PM »
Pet peeve of mine. After spending a few weeks on a sugyo and someone asks you something about a practical application of it you better be able to say something more than you think that according to the way you clered in the second tzad of R' Boruch Ber the rashba might hold a certain way in his kashya.

Same. Even just to read Rambam/Tur/Shulchan Aruch. Not necessarily Halacha limysah but at least ikur rishonim and Shchan Aruch. Wouldnt even take that compared to long shtikel of Rav Chaim or Rav BB.