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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #100 on: March 06, 2019, 07:01:23 PM »
I deleted a post that I made quickly trying to be cute, but upon reading the thread further I saw that a bunch of people made similar comments. That might be it.
Yea, that was it.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #101 on: March 07, 2019, 08:47:01 AM »
FWIU I don't believe anyone is as extreme about this as Lubavitch.

Here are a links that has some pertinent quotes: http://chabadpedia.co.il/images/1/1b/%D7%97%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%9A_%D7%A2%D7%9C_%D7%98%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%AA_%D7%94%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%93%D7%A9.pdf

And OTOH, here's a link from a Chabad Yeshiva that does include general studies: http://mesivtamonsey.org/general-studies/

Didn't read the whole megillah. I find it interesting, that Chabad, of all kehilot, are the ones that are that extreme. For starters, the Rebbe himself went to several colleges in Berlin and Paris, and even worked for the US Navy during WWII (IIRC). I have met many shluchim, especially those that are associated with college campuses, and they're well read and articulate (yes, I know that doesn't equate to a college degree, but still requires them to learn/read some divrei chol).


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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #102 on: March 07, 2019, 10:19:47 AM »
FTR, R Meir Stern tells those who ask him to go through Tur/Bais Yosef after each sugyo

Interesting. I also think that bochurim will feel better about their learning if they can come out with the basic halacha after all the chakiros and svaras. Even if someone who could not follow the whole sugya and the raid, should be able to come out with a clarity in who says what in the rishonim and to know the halacha is in summary. This is also where I think having tests in yeshivas can also be very beneficial, even in iyun.

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #103 on: March 07, 2019, 11:01:34 AM »
Interesting. I also think that bochurim will feel better about their learning if they can come out with the basic halacha after all the chakiros and svaras. Even if someone who could not follow the whole sugya and the raid, should be able to come out with a clarity in who says what in the rishonim and to know the halacha is in summary. This is also where I think having tests in yeshivas can also be very beneficial, even in iyun.
1. I know that he says this because he said it to me.
2. I would FTFY to "Even if someone who follows the whole sugya and the raid, should be able to come out with a clarity...." (not to say that they don't but rather that it becomes more difficult to keep track of the basic shitos once you go through all the raid and it is for that reason that he says to go back to the tur BY to put it all back together again.)
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #104 on: March 08, 2019, 12:03:01 AM »
1. I know that he says this because he said it to me.
2. I would FTFY to "Even if someone who follows the whole sugya and the raid, should be able to come out with a clarity...." (not to say that they don't but rather that it becomes more difficult to keep track of the basic shitos once you go through all the raid and it is for that reason that he says to go back to the tur BY to put it all back together again.)

I dont disagree but I was more addressing the point that those who dont always have a clarity in the raid and chakiros in a shiur will feel unproductive because then its even more apparent how little he came out with in the sugya by not even being able to draw out the conclusions. Everyone should be able to understand the gemara and how the rishonim/halacha derrive the laws and conclusions of the sugya regardless of how well he understands the raid that lead up to it.

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #105 on: March 08, 2019, 12:14:00 AM »
Just to be a troll, who says that
the reid leads up to it?
If you ask me, most of what people term "reid", has absolutely nothing to do with how the Rishonim learnt the sugya.

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #106 on: March 08, 2019, 12:23:19 AM »
Just to be a troll, who says thatIf you ask me, most of what people term "reid", has absolutely nothing to do with how the Rishonim learnt the sugya.
Lol, true.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #107 on: March 08, 2019, 12:35:07 AM »
Just to be a troll, who says thatIf you ask me, most of what people term "reid", has absolutely nothing to do with how the Rishonim learnt the sugya.
there are different levels
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #108 on: March 08, 2019, 12:43:21 AM »
A yeshiva's purpose is teaching torah and avoda, not all life skills. If parents want, they can teach financial literacy themselves or hire someone.

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #109 on: March 08, 2019, 12:51:00 AM »
A yeshiva's purpose is teaching torah and avoda, not all life skills. If parents want, they can teach financial literacy themselves or hire someone.
Thank you.

Now
So why do they teach earth science or history or advanced math...?

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #110 on: March 08, 2019, 12:53:29 AM »
Thank you.

Now
So why do they teach earth science or history or advanced math...?
It never was taught until after the war and even then it was a big chidush. I believe R' Moshe was matir among others due to the law necessitating it. But I'm not sure that was the reason.

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #111 on: March 08, 2019, 01:41:48 AM »
A yeshiva's purpose is teaching torah and avoda, not all life skills.
Says who?
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #112 on: March 08, 2019, 01:43:03 AM »
Thank you.

Now
So why do they teach earth science or history or advanced math...?
It's as if you'd rather everyone remain ignoramuses their whole lives.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #113 on: March 08, 2019, 02:03:40 AM »
It's as if you'd rather everyone remain ignoramuses their whole lives.
Me personally no. Also most things that were previously suggested to be taught I honestly think they are basically common sense or it will take a minute to read about what something is. I don't think it qualifies to be labeled as an ignoramus.

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #114 on: March 08, 2019, 02:45:24 AM »
Me personally no. Also most things that were previously suggested to be taught I honestly think they are basically common sense or it will take a minute to read about what something is. I don't think it qualifies to be labeled as an ignoramus.
Common sense or not, are they things that most young people have enough of an understanding of?
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« Reply #115 on: March 08, 2019, 02:46:39 AM »
Common sense or not, are they things that most young people have enough of an understanding of?
I would say yes. Show me the data otherwise

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #116 on: March 08, 2019, 06:58:41 AM »
I would say yes. Show me the data otherwise
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #118 on: March 08, 2019, 09:45:25 AM »
Says who?
The meaning of the word as well as the tradition of those who established it.

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #119 on: March 08, 2019, 11:07:24 AM »
Just to be a troll, who says thatIf you ask me, most of what people term "reid", has absolutely nothing to do with how the Rishonim learnt the sugya.

I believe the reid is often an explanation of the rishonim with svaros and definitions as well as how they understand the gemara and its most fundamental concepts.