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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #160 on: March 10, 2019, 05:37:20 PM »
I mean geometry. And business is typically very basic math.
Basic geometry and algebra concepts come into play much more often than you think. I understand that it may not feel that way to an accountant.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #161 on: March 10, 2019, 06:23:42 PM »
Basic geometry and algebra concepts come into play much more often than you think. I understand that it may not feel that way to an accountant.
Give me an example? I'm the one dealing with the data/numbers all day so I can't imagine the operating side deals with it anymore..

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #162 on: March 10, 2019, 06:28:45 PM »
Let's not forget this geometry and math...
He definitely didn't have a secular education..

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #163 on: March 10, 2019, 06:32:25 PM »
Let's not forget this geometry and math...
He definitely didn't have a secular education..
Never saw this, but seems like it's regarding the חשבונות הראיה in הלכות קידוש החודש that have more to do with trigonometry than geometry IINM.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #164 on: March 10, 2019, 06:33:21 PM »
Never saw this, but seems like it's regarding the חשבונות הראיה in הלכות קידוש החודש that have more to do with trigonometry than geometry IINM.
I guess so but its definitely above my paygrade

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #165 on: March 10, 2019, 06:49:01 PM »
I guess so but its definitely above my paygrade

Same here. Though the Rambam himself writes that it's above most people's grade (unlike the calculations needed to create a calendar, which even a child can master), which is why he gives lookup values to use based on various possibilities (and even with those he acknowledges that it's a little more complex than the calculations used for calendar calculations).
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #166 on: March 10, 2019, 07:09:16 PM »
Why is this even a discussion? Why would anyone be against Yidden being more knowledgeable in the way Hashem runs the world? That seems to go against many midrashim and other sources. All in the name of frumkeit. I have yet to see an earlier source against it. Nevermind that it is a basic necessity in order to function in society. Don't forget Reb Yehuda's admonishment.

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #167 on: March 10, 2019, 07:15:13 PM »
Why is this even a discussion? Why would anyone be against Yidden being more knowledgeable in the way Hashem runs the world?

If it's taught that way, rather than as part of how to do certain functions within the world, I don't think there's opposition (other than the fact that there might not be people trained in teaching it that way).

Interesting read about what Yeshiva education is all about here (also watch the first video at the bottom).
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #168 on: March 10, 2019, 07:26:11 PM »
If it's taught that way, rather than as part of how to do certain functions within the world, I don't think there's opposition (other than the fact that there might not be people trained in teaching it that way).

Interesting read about what Yeshiva education is all about here (also watch the first video at the bottom).
Honestly, at that point you're just nitpicking, if it's important to know then it's important to know regardless. Why are you so anti people being taught how to function in the world? It's way harder to figure it all out by yourself even if it is possible.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #169 on: March 10, 2019, 08:09:13 PM »
Give me an example? I'm the one dealing with the data/numbers all day so I can't imagine the operating side deals with it anymore..
Exactly why I wrote this
I understand that it may not feel that way to an accountant.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #170 on: March 10, 2019, 08:10:20 PM »
Let's not forget this geometry and math...
He definitely didn't have a secular education..
I'm not sure what your point is with this.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #171 on: March 10, 2019, 08:39:54 PM »
I'm not sure what your point is with this.
My point here is that trig, geometry etc are more relevant for Torah topics than business.

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #172 on: March 10, 2019, 08:45:30 PM »
My point here is that trig, geometry etc are more relevant for Torah topics than business.
Trig most definitely. I very specifically wrote that right away.
Such a curriculum would be just right. There is no need for advanced trigonometry etc. but an understanding of geometry and algebra goes a long way.
Basic geometry is very relevant. Proving that 2 angles are equal not so much.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #173 on: March 10, 2019, 09:12:14 PM »
Honestly, at that point you're just nitpicking, if it's important to know then it's important to know regardless. Why are you so anti people being taught how to function in the world? It's way harder to figure it all out by yourself even if it is possible.
I send my kids to Cheder/Yeshiva/Girls School so they should come out with a perspective of אלקות בפשיטות ועולמות בהתחדשות.

The technical skills required to "function in the world" really don't warrant the potential time put into them in a school curriculum. They are either self acquired or should be taught on an as needed, when needed basis.

If you were talking about other, non-technical, skills such as public speaking (for example), some of those definitely do warrant dedicating education time, as long as they're done right.
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« Reply #174 on: March 10, 2019, 09:19:44 PM »
I send my kids to Cheder/Yeshiva/Girls School so they should come out with a perspective of אלקות בפשיטות ועולמות בהתחדשות.

The technical skills required to "function in the world" really don't warrant the potential time put into them in a school curriculum. They are either self acquired or should be taught on an as needed, when needed basis.

If you were talking about other, non-technical, skills such as public speaking (for example), some of those definitely do warrant dedicating education time, as long as they're done right.
It's a great idea in theory and in a perfect world I would agree with you but the reality is that it doesn't work like that. There are just way too many people in our community who are at a huge disadvantage in life because they were never taught basic skills and don't have anyone to teach them now. I'm not advocating for all yeshivas to implement a full secular curriculum, I understand why you wouldn't want that and the reasons make a lot of sense. I'm just saying that at some point people need to be taught certain basic modern life skills and learning them "as needed" doesn't work for most people for multiple reasons.
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #175 on: March 10, 2019, 10:52:34 PM »


... perspective of אלקות בפשיטות ועולמות בהתחדשות.


Say what??
Is that even a coherent sentence?

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #176 on: March 10, 2019, 11:00:42 PM »

Say what??
Is that even a coherent sentence?
For people that believe in יחוד השם and אחדות השם it is extremely coherent. But I guess when one has a problem with those עיקרי האמונה it might sound incoherent.
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« Reply #177 on: March 10, 2019, 11:03:44 PM »
For people that believe in יחוד השם and אחדות השם it is extremely coherent. But I guess when one has a problem with those עיקרי האמונה it might sound incoherent.
You do realize how conceited and stuck up this sounds right?
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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #178 on: March 10, 2019, 11:04:26 PM »
For people that believe in יחוד השם and אחדות השם it is extremely coherent. But I guess when one has a problem with those עיקרי האמונה it might sound incoherent.
Forget the substance. I couldn't even read the words you wrote.. didn't seem to string together.

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Re: Adding Financial Literacy Courses In Yeshivas
« Reply #179 on: March 10, 2019, 11:08:30 PM »
Forget the substance. I couldn't even read the words you wrote.. didn't seem to string together.
Why don't you try Google hador?

Alternatively, take some courses in תורת החסידות.
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