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Poll

Who are you leaning towards?

Likud
5 (17.2%)
Blue and White
0 (0%)
Shas
0 (0%)
Charedi Parties(UTJ Aguda)
15 (51.7%)
Labor
2 (6.9%)
Zeut
1 (3.4%)
Meretz
0 (0%)
Yisroel Bateinu
0 (0%)
New Right (Bennet, Shaked)
1 (3.4%)
Kahane Parties
5 (17.2%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: April 09, 2019, 05:19:44 AM

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #135 on: April 11, 2019, 02:40:40 PM »
No assumptions.

https://votes21.bechirot.gov.il/cityresults?cityID=696

Results from Kfar Chabad.

I posted those results before they were made public on the Israeli government website, and lamented them.

However, when you write
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Chabad voting for mizrachists time and again with excuses, just obscures that their sympathies lie there and that's it
that is making assumptions about where people's sympathies lie.

When Litzman, Gafni and Deri (and possibly also Eichler, I'm not sure) all have a proven record of aiding and abetting government decisions that are deemed Pikuach Nefesh, people have a hard time voting for them in a clear conscience. It's that simple. (not saying that I agree or disagree, or what I would have done, but just stating the simple reasoning, that has nothing to do with sympathies. Chabad is and was always opposed to Zionism, but doesn't let that get in the way of loving and caring for every Jew, even if they are Zionists).
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #136 on: April 11, 2019, 02:51:35 PM »
I posted those results before they were made public on the Israeli government website, and lamented them.

However, when you writethat is making assumptions about where people's sympathies lie.

When Litzman, Gafni and Deri (and possibly also Eichler, I'm not sure) all have a proven record of aiding and abetting government decisions that are deemed Pikuach Nefesh, people have a hard time voting for them in a clear conscience. It's that simple. (not saying that I agree or disagree, or what I would have done, but just stating the simple reasoning, that has nothing to do with sympathies. Chabad is and was always opposed to Zionism, but doesn't let that get in the way of loving and caring for every Jew, even if they are Zionists).

I assume you mean that they are voting opposite the side that would be deemed pikuach nefesh.

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #137 on: April 11, 2019, 02:59:15 PM »
I assume you mean that they are voting opposite the side that would be deemed pikuach nefesh.

Deri was a minister in the government that approved the Oslo accords and didn't vote against them.

Litzman was AWOL at a vote regarding the Gaza withdrawal.

Gafni actually voted against the Gaza withdrawal but is viewed as aiding and abetting by helping vote for the government budget, which allowed the government to last beyond the Gaza withdrawal rather than fall before the withdrawal could be carried out.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #138 on: April 11, 2019, 05:18:38 PM »
Final results published, only change seems to be Likud gaining 1 seat at the expense of UTJ  :( However, while these results do seem final, the official count gets published next Wednesday (ask @Yehuda57 as to when that is, he might tell you that the official count is being published this Wednesday).

Let's hope Lieberman doesn't end up being too much of a troublemaker, and that URW manages to get Ben-Gvir in as they have pledged to do, so we get some good entertainment and a thorn in the Lefties sides.

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ועדת הבחירות המרכזית פרסמה הערב (חמישי) את התוצאות הסופיות של הבחירות לכנסת ה-21 שנערכו ביום שלישי השבוע, לאחר סיום הבדיקות וחישוב תוצאות הסכמי העודפים.

על פי התוצאות הסופיות הליכוד היא המפלגה הגדולה ביותר עם 36 מנדטים, במקום השני כחול לבן עם 35 מנדטים.

ש"ס מקבלת 8 מנדטים, יהדות התורה 7 מנדטים, העבודה 6 מנדטים, חד"ש-תע"ל 6 מנדטים, ישראל ביתנו 5 מנדטים, איחוד מפלגות הימין 5 מנדטים, כולנו 4 מנדטים, מרצ 4 מנדטים ורע"מ-בל"ד גם כן 4 מנדטים.

על פי התוצאות הסופיות עומד גוש הימין על 65 מנדטים ואילו גוש השמאל עומד על 55 מנדטים. ‏לימין החדש היו חסרים 1461 קולות כדי להיכנס לכנסת.

ו"ר ועדת הבחירות המרכזית, השופט חנן מלצר, הדגיש כי התוצאות שפורסמו הערב ''אינן התוצאות הרשמיות שיפורסמו ב-17 באפריל 2019 ויוגשו לנשיא המדינה.

''אנו שומרים לעצמנו את הזכות לבחון את התוצאות בכלי בקרה נוספים שונים, שמפעילה הוועדה, לצורך שיקוף ההצבעה הבוחרים בתוצאות, באופן המיטיבי ובהתאם לחוק הבחירות לכנסת, ולכן תוצאות אלה עוד כפופות לשינויים והתאמות", הוסיף מלצר.

במפלגת הימין החדש הגיבו: ''התוצאות שפורסמו אינן סופיות, ואנחנו ממשיכים להילחם. אנו מצפים מהתקשורת לגלות קצת יותר רצינות בדיווחיה.

''לאורך היום הוקם במטה המפלגה חמ"ל שריכז כ-1,000 כשלים וליקויים בהליכי ההצבעה. מיד בתחילת השבוע נקבל לידינו את הפרוטוקולים ומאות המתנדבים שלנו ישוו אותם לתוצאות הממוחשבות.

''כמו כן, נטפל בכל אי הסדרים הקיצוניים שהתגלו בספירת המעטפות הכפולות. נקבל את הכרעת הבוחר, אך לא נוותר עד שנדע מה היא באמת", הוסיפו בימין החדש.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #139 on: April 11, 2019, 07:31:40 PM »
The new government will not last long. There's no way the charedim and Lieberman can sit together peacefully. And there's no coalition without them.

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #140 on: April 12, 2019, 03:10:58 AM »
The new government will not last long. There's no way the charedim and Lieberman can sit together peacefully. And there's no coalition without them.

Unless Netanyahu can convince certain Blue and White MK's to move back to Likud...It is a real possibility and then he can leave Lieberman out. (He would only need 2-3

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #141 on: April 12, 2019, 08:44:16 AM »
Really hoping for Ben gvir!

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #142 on: April 12, 2019, 09:06:20 AM »
Really hoping for Ben gvir!

Yup. No one comes close to the entertainment he can provide.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #143 on: April 16, 2019, 06:11:52 AM »
Very curious what the % of Charedim actually vote in elections....UTJ getting 8 seats is I believe a record for them....What would happen if the Charedim voted the same as the national average would they not be over 10-12 seats?

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #144 on: April 16, 2019, 06:42:31 AM »
Very curious what the % of Charedim actually vote in elections....UTJ getting 8 seats is I believe a record for them....What would happen if the Charedim voted the same as the national average would they not be over 10-12 seats?
Charedim vote more than the national average. (Approx 75% vs 65%)
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #145 on: April 16, 2019, 06:53:30 AM »
Charedim vote more than the national average. (Approx 75% vs 65%)

How is that possible if most Chasidim do not vote (at least I assumed not)

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #146 on: April 16, 2019, 07:00:40 AM »
How is that possible if most Chasidim do not vote (at least I assumed not)
Sure they vote.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #147 on: April 16, 2019, 07:06:42 AM »
How is that possible if most Chasidim do not vote (at least I assumed not)
Most chassidim vote. Only a few sects do not

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #148 on: April 16, 2019, 08:36:12 AM »
How is that possible if most Chasidim do not vote (at least I assumed not)
What would make you assume that when the following (large) sects are actually members of UTJ and either have or had MKs: Ger, Vizhnitz, Belz? In addition a few other sects are members of UTJ.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #149 on: April 16, 2019, 08:39:10 AM »
Most chassidim vote. Only a few sects do not
Just a small thought I had, there was 40+ parties running in this election. If Satmar would vote, there would have been another few parties