Poll

Who are you leaning towards?

Likud
5 (17.2%)
Blue and White
0 (0%)
Shas
0 (0%)
Charedi Parties(UTJ Aguda)
15 (51.7%)
Labor
2 (6.9%)
Zeut
1 (3.4%)
Meretz
0 (0%)
Yisroel Bateinu
0 (0%)
New Right (Bennet, Shaked)
1 (3.4%)
Kahane Parties
5 (17.2%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: April 09, 2019, 05:19:44 AM

Author Topic: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)  (Read 96567 times)

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1380 on: June 16, 2021, 11:39:12 AM »
A lot of the charedi establishment in Israel sees mutual resentment as a beneficial contribution to maintaining a barrier and preventing negative influence.

It is a polar opposite of Chabad, and while extreme the difference in positions was already illustrated by  Yehousha who mingled with the Mergalim to help them as opposed to Caleb who isolated himself to preserve his own righteousness.
mingling vs isolating can be debated. purposely breeding resentment and being משניא torah and mitzvos to fellow jews, is something else entirely

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1381 on: June 16, 2021, 11:40:18 AM »
Yehousha who mingled with the Mergalim to help them as opposed to Caleb who isolated himself to preserve his own righteousness.
I understood it the opposite based on רוח אחרת עמו
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1382 on: June 16, 2021, 12:10:35 PM »
A lot of the charedi establishment in Israel sees mutual resentment as a beneficial contribution to maintaining a barrier and preventing negative influence.

I'm sure you realize that a barrier works both ways. So it's beneficial to maintain a barrier and create a resentment to Yiddishkeit amongst huge parts of the Jewish population?

Yes, indeed. The Rebbe does see things very differently.

BTW, this is also reflected in the Rebbe's approach to taking money from the Zionists for torah education. While it might be easier to say we won't take money so they don't have a say, by not taking their money we would be depriving them of the זכות of לימוד התורה דרבים!!!
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1383 on: June 16, 2021, 12:22:30 PM »
I understood it the opposite based on רוח אחרת עמו
It could be I confused them.

I'm sure you realize that a barrier works both ways. So it's beneficial to maintain a barrier and create a resentment to Yiddishkeit amongst huge parts of the Jewish population?

Yes, indeed. The Rebbe does see things very differently.

BTW, this is also reflected in the Rebbe's approach to taking money from the Zionists for torah education. While it might be easier to say we won't take money so they don't have a say, by not taking their money we would be depriving them of the זכות of לימוד התורה דרבים!!!
Yup.
mingling vs isolating can be debated. purposely breeding resentment and being משניא torah and mitzvos to fellow jews, is something else entirely
I didn’t go so far as saying anybody advocates provoking resentment, only that the resultant barrier is beneficial.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1384 on: June 16, 2021, 12:24:27 PM »
One of the rumored potential defectors


The context is a brewing crises where the coalition doesn’t have enough votes to pass the annual extension of a law that blocks naturalization of some Palestinians - as has been done for the past 17 years, and it’s unclear if the right wing opposition members will come to the rescue.


It’s unclear if the opposition will lend a few votes (Smotrich has a long reasoned thread about his debate), but if they don’t, they will shift the blame onto the coalition but saying they agree to vote yes but demand votes from the coalition on other Right wing interests
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר – יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1385 on: June 16, 2021, 07:28:08 PM »
The Rebbe does see things very differently.
*did

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1388 on: June 17, 2021, 01:11:54 PM »
*does
Which rebbe, Rav Shaul Shimon Deutche?

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1389 on: June 17, 2021, 01:15:04 PM »
Which rebbe, Rav Shaul Shimon Deutche?

*ducks*

Ask anyone. There is only one "The Rebbe".

There might be a lot of אדמו"רים, רבנים, etc. But everyone knows who "The Rebbe" without any adjectives or qualifiers refers to.
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1390 on: June 17, 2021, 01:15:50 PM »
*did

Do you have any reason to believe that the Rebbe's perspective on this issue changed after the histalkus?

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1391 on: June 17, 2021, 02:01:14 PM »
Do you have any reason to believe that the Rebbe's perspective on this issue changed after the histalkus?

I think what he has reason to believe is that the Rebbe's ability to perceive (in any regard) changed after the histalkus?

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1392 on: June 17, 2021, 02:02:59 PM »
Yehousha who mingled with the Mergalim to help them as opposed to Caleb who isolated himself to preserve his own righteousness.

Their differences in approach can be interpreted in multiple ways, but the takeaway is always that both approaches are valid/have their place.

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1393 on: June 17, 2021, 02:30:01 PM »
Ask anyone. There is only one "The Rebbe".

There might be a lot of אדמו"רים, רבנים, etc. But everyone knows who "The Rebbe" without any adjectives or qualifiers refers to.
In my circles, “The Rov” refers to the Brisker rov. In other circles, “The Rav” refers to Rabbi JB Soloveitchik.
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1394 on: June 17, 2021, 02:31:06 PM »
I guess this comes in since the title says "(See Also: Definition Of Insanity)"
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1395 on: June 17, 2021, 02:32:54 PM »
In my circles, “The Rov” refers to the Brisker rov. In other circles, “The Rav” refers to Rabbi JB Soloveitchik.
It is Thursday in NY now and Friday in Australia.

Everyone knows who "The Rebbe" refers to.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1396 on: June 17, 2021, 02:59:50 PM »
I am so glad that I never had the opportunity (which would have obligated me) to vote in Israeli elections.
:P רגלי חסידיו ישמור

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1397 on: June 17, 2021, 03:00:44 PM »

Everyone knows who "The Rebbe" refers to.
When coming from a Lubavitcher, sure! :D

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1398 on: June 17, 2021, 03:03:30 PM »
When coming from a Lubavitcher, sure! :D

I guess it's because you hold like me that everyone is a Lubavitcher (to the extent that it is at all possible to be one).
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1399 on: June 17, 2021, 03:58:17 PM »
Ask anyone. There is only one "The Rebbe".

There might be a lot of אדמו"רים, רבנים, etc. But everyone knows who "The Rebbe" without any adjectives or qualifiers refers to.
In my circles, “The Rov” refers to the Brisker rov. In other circles, “The Rav” refers to Rabbi JB Soloveitchik.

In Belz, "The Ruv" refers to the Belzer Rebbe. In my house "the Rav" referred to the Badie Hashulchan
I'm sorry for all those Lubavitchers who think that every reference in the world to "The Rebbe" means their rebbe, it's just not true and only means that you haven't ever gone very far out of your circles.
It's probably time to move the last few posts to the "Ask a Lubavitcher Anything" thread