Poll

Who are you leaning towards?

Likud
5 (17.2%)
Blue and White
0 (0%)
Shas
0 (0%)
Charedi Parties(UTJ Aguda)
15 (51.7%)
Labor
2 (6.9%)
Zeut
1 (3.4%)
Meretz
0 (0%)
Yisroel Bateinu
0 (0%)
New Right (Bennet, Shaked)
1 (3.4%)
Kahane Parties
5 (17.2%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: April 09, 2019, 05:19:44 AM

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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1680 on: January 18, 2023, 12:26:53 PM »
Is it time for deri to step aside or work from the sidelines while still being leader of the party?

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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1681 on: January 18, 2023, 12:42:40 PM »
Is it time for deri to step aside or work from the sidelines while still being leader of the party?
2 thoughts on the matter:
1) This is an attack on the whole right wing government, not just Deri.
2) Everyone still loves him, including netanyahu, which is very important

So no, he should not step down but keep fighting like a lion

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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1682 on: January 18, 2023, 12:56:29 PM »
2 thoughts on the matter:
1) This is an attack on the whole right wing government, not just Deri.
2) Everyone still loves him, including netanyahu, which is very important

So no, he should not step down but keep fighting like a lion
agree but at the same time does it not deviate from the concept of yosher ( if it was serious tax evasion, even if not did he not agree to step down?) and maybe better to leave the title for someone else ?

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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1683 on: January 18, 2023, 04:03:19 PM »
agree but at the same time does it not deviate from the concept of yosher ( if it was serious tax evasion, even if not did he not agree to step down?) and maybe better to leave the title for someone else ?
yosher was destroyed by the left the second they decided to invent new violations to convict rightys...

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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1688 on: February 12, 2023, 03:52:01 AM »
Article from Arutz Sheva noting that many on the opposition supported Judicial reform - until it was put forward by the right.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/367292

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In that speech, Lapid said, “I have opposed, and I still oppose, judicial activism of the sort introduced by [former Supreme Court President and the father of Israel’s judicial revolution] Justice Aharon Barak. I don’t think it is right that everything is justiciable. I don’t think it is right for the Supreme Court to change fundamental things in accordance with what it refers to as the judgment of ‘the reasonable person.’ That’s an amorphous and completely subjective definition that the Knesset never introduced to the legal code. It’s not right in my mind that the separation of powers, the sacrosanct foundation of the democratic method, should be breached by one branch of government placing itself above the others.”

Yaalon is one of the heads of the protesters against the Supreme Court reform.
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In a speech in 2009, when he first entered politics, Ya’alon sang a different tune. Back then Ya’alon railed against the very forces he now claims to represent. “The media here is biased,” he began.
“Unfortunately,” Yaalon continued, “today there are forces, call them the elites, who are influencing the discourse in Israel in a distorted way. It’s manipulative and misleading to the point where we need to be very worried today. I am still very worried. They have a lot of power. They have influence, if you like, on the prime minister. There’s a situation today where we have power centers with authority and no responsibility…. This isn’t democracy. The wealthy have become such a force. The media is a force like this. The Supreme Court is a force like this.”
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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1689 on: February 13, 2023, 04:55:05 AM »

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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1690 on: February 13, 2023, 09:00:56 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli_judicial_reform

curently decently balanced

It's about turning it from a courtocracy to a democracy.
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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1691 on: February 13, 2023, 04:12:45 PM »
It's about turning it from a courtocracy to a democracy.

I support the changes because the court has been an undemocratic far-left Charedi-hating junta.

However, the bill is quite extreme and might backfire on us later, in a similar fashion to Harry Reid and the filibuster. If an extreme leftist government gets elected they can pass whatever they want and the court will not be able to intervene. Oh, that's exactly what they did until now. So the risks are the things that were happening until now too. Only difference is that the right will be able to govern for a change, and this is why gedolei yisrael conditioned entering the coalition on the overriding clause with 61 only.

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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1692 on: February 13, 2023, 04:34:46 PM »
I support the changes because the court has been an undemocratic far-left Charedi-hating junta.

However, the bill is quite extreme and might backfire on us later, in a similar fashion to Harry Reid and the filibuster. If an extreme leftist government gets elected they can pass whatever they want and the court will not be able to intervene. Oh, that's exactly what they did until now. So the risks are the things that were happening until now too. Only difference is that the right will be able to govern for a change, and this is why gedolei yisrael conditioned entering the coalition on the overriding clause with 61 only.

I personally think that there's a bigger elephant in the room than any part of the reform that is being discussed now.

While they are trying to pass a law that the Israeli Supreme Court cannot strike down basic laws, the entire process for making those laws is totally flawed and meaningless, and even if/when amended (which might not be a good thing - as they are being acknowledged as some kind of a constitution), חוק יסוד כבוד האדם וחירותו is on the books, and has been abused by the left-wing Supreme Court, even though it was passed without even 60 MKs voting in total (whether pro, against, or abstaining!!!). Accepting a law that was passed in such a way as a basis to strike down other laws is a travesty. But touching that law will create a "progressive" uproar that will dwarf the current protests, as it will be framed as going back on human rights!
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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1693 on: February 13, 2023, 04:50:54 PM »
power corrupts and threat of losing power is what the current Revolt is abt.
Hope they succeed as they say when you go for the king you better not miss!
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/left-vs-right/ag-says-netanyahu-cant-participate-in-presidents-compromise-discussions/2023/02/13/
https://twitter.com/YinonMagal/status/1624536212357652481?cxt=HHwWgoCx5f7EwYstAAAA

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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1694 on: February 14, 2023, 08:15:27 AM »
We were zoche to the front page of Financial Times (US edition) this morning.
Left out the picture of screaming Israelis also on the front page.



EDIT: Ynet says more than just FT.
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byfqi1tpo

EDIT EDIT: LA Times page 2
Washington Times front page (just the picture from AP, the rest of the article is inside)
WSJ same
Globe & Mail front page
Boston Globe page A6

Cute tiny reference on the front page in Washington Post:

As well as the regular article inside, and an editorial to boot, titled "There is a way out of the nation's crisis. Netanyahu should take it":

« Last Edit: February 14, 2023, 09:07:13 AM by mevinyavin »
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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1695 on: February 14, 2023, 09:11:29 AM »
We were zoche to the front page of Financial Times (US edition) this morning.
Left out the picture of screaming Israelis also on the front page.



With the exception of the description of what went on in the committee yesterday, where the opposition members turned it into an uncivil circus and had to be dragged out, the article is rather fair.
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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1696 on: February 14, 2023, 09:21:03 AM »
With the exception of the description of what went on in the committee yesterday, where the opposition members turned it into an uncivil circus and had to be dragged out, the article is rather fair.
Agreed. They usually are better than average. That's why I read them every once in a while.
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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1697 on: February 20, 2023, 12:37:54 PM »
To upsetting to finish reading the article.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/367717

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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1698 on: February 20, 2023, 12:45:46 PM »
To upsetting to finish reading the article.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/367717
Unfortunately, only a tiny sampling of the evil emanating from the leftist judges who are free to judge on their own whim, and who currently have no checks and balances.

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Re: 2019-2022 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1699 on: February 21, 2023, 05:32:45 AM »
MK says regarding the Supreme Court law: Don't believe the lies - read the bill.
Exactly, folks. Read the bill for yourself and tell me if it really is taking down democracy, or perhaps, supporting it?

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/367755
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