Poll

Who are you leaning towards?

Likud
5 (17.2%)
Blue and White
0 (0%)
Shas
0 (0%)
Charedi Parties(UTJ Aguda)
15 (51.7%)
Labor
2 (6.9%)
Zeut
1 (3.4%)
Meretz
0 (0%)
Yisroel Bateinu
0 (0%)
New Right (Bennet, Shaked)
1 (3.4%)
Kahane Parties
5 (17.2%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: April 09, 2019, 05:19:44 AM

Author Topic: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)  (Read 101814 times)

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #380 on: September 20, 2019, 08:58:52 AM »
Final, yet not-yet certified results published here:

https://www.kipa.co.il/userFiles/files/5bc54f1b8b755ad22efa441d5341f816.pdf
Otzmah likely doesn't cross the threshold even if it's a 3 seat minimum.

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #381 on: September 20, 2019, 09:03:13 AM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #382 on: September 20, 2019, 10:21:09 AM »
I think Rivlin says I am not tasking anyone with creating the coalition until you children figure something out
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #383 on: September 20, 2019, 10:24:22 AM »
Otzmah likely doesn't cross the threshold even if all of the invalid votes belong to it!.
FTFY

They'd still be about 1 seat short if you add all of the invalid ballots (~26k) + their ~85k

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #384 on: September 20, 2019, 10:27:00 AM »
FTFY

They'd still be about 1 seat short if you add all of the invalid ballots (~26k) + their ~85k
Why so many invalid ballots?

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #385 on: September 20, 2019, 10:27:40 AM »
Nor would Otzmah make any difference even if all those votes went to right wing parties.

Would still be the same stalemate.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #386 on: September 20, 2019, 10:31:26 AM »
Nor would Otzmah make any difference even if all those votes went to right wing parties.

Would still be the same stalemate.
There's only 3 relevant people right now - bibi, gantz, and Lieberman.

One or more of them has to give something up. Bibi wants to be PM with immunity, Gantz said he won't sit with bibi, and Lieberman won't sit with Chareidim.

The alternative scenerio is 1 of the left wing parties joining, but I can't see it.

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #387 on: September 20, 2019, 10:53:01 AM »
Nor would Otzmah make any difference even if all those votes went to right wing parties.

Would still be the same stalemate.

look at the results, Yamina 7 seats at 260.. then UTJ 8 seats at 268.. bibi 31 to Gantz 33 only sort 37k votes..

otzama 83k votes spread out to likud, yamina, shas etc would as I said, have been 4 seats +

New landscape likud 34, shas 10, utj 8, yamina 8 this 60.. just 1 short.


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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #388 on: September 20, 2019, 11:34:53 AM »
look at the results, Yamina 7 seats at 260.. then UTJ 8 seats at 268.. bibi 31 to Gantz 33 only sort 37k votes..
otzama 83k votes spread out to likud, yamina, shas etc would as I said, have been 4 seats +
New landscape likud 34, shas 10, utj 8, yamina 8 this 60.. just 1 short.

I think your math is a little off. The right might have only gained 2-3 seats So bibi only goes to 57-58 from 55. Still the same stale mate

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #389 on: September 20, 2019, 12:07:11 PM »
Some memes from WA:



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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #390 on: September 22, 2019, 02:07:04 AM »
https://m.news1.co.il/ArticlePage.aspx?docid=136472&subjectid=24

Interesting analysis, though I find his bottom line suggestion too far fetched.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #391 on: September 22, 2019, 11:20:11 AM »
https://news.walla.co.il/item/3314222

 Now Gantz is cornered.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #392 on: September 22, 2019, 11:54:16 AM »
"if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice"
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #393 on: September 22, 2019, 12:09:24 PM »
Now what?
Maybe...
I think Rivlin says I am not tasking anyone with creating the coalition until you children figure something out
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #394 on: September 22, 2019, 01:07:38 PM »
I'm no expert, but is it time to switch to directly electing a PM and a party separately?
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #395 on: September 22, 2019, 01:19:54 PM »
I'm no expert, but is it time to switch to directly electing a PM and a party separately?
they tried that years ago from '96 to '01
Not sure why they changed back

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #396 on: September 22, 2019, 01:57:13 PM »
https://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/5594264

It's become a hot potato at this point. No one wants to get the mandate first from the president (and he knows that, but might not have a choice at this point since a plurality of MK recommended Gantz, and he heads the largest party).
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #397 on: September 22, 2019, 02:05:03 PM »
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/22/middleeast/israel-election-benjamin-netanyahu-future-intl/index.html

Here's a suggestion for Israeli politicians: let the Knesset vote on a law to hold new elections and bar Lieberman or anyone from his party in participating. If there's one thing EVERYONE across the political spectrum can agree upon at this point, is that Lieberman is a non-trust-worthy troublemaker (and possibly highly corrupt).
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #398 on: September 22, 2019, 02:24:27 PM »
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/22/middleeast/israel-election-benjamin-netanyahu-future-intl/index.html

Here's a suggestion for Israeli politicians: let the Knesset vote on a law to hold new elections and bar Lieberman or anyone from his party in participating. If there's one thing EVERYONE across the political spectrum can agree upon at this point, is that Lieberman is a non-trust-worthy troublemaker (and possibly highly corrupt).
Do you actually believe the things you write?
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #399 on: September 22, 2019, 02:29:02 PM »
Do you actually believe the things you write?

Do I believe this suggestion is likely to happen? No!
Do I believe that there's a huge majority that would love to see it happen. Absolutely yes!
Do I believe there's a legal way to make it happen? Haven't given it too much thought to find a legal way for this to happen, but on the surface I can't think of a legal way for this to happen.
Do I think Israeli politicians turn to DDF for suggestions? Absolutely not!
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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