Poll

Who are you leaning towards?

Likud
5 (17.2%)
Blue and White
0 (0%)
Shas
0 (0%)
Charedi Parties(UTJ Aguda)
15 (51.7%)
Labor
2 (6.9%)
Zeut
1 (3.4%)
Meretz
0 (0%)
Yisroel Bateinu
0 (0%)
New Right (Bennet, Shaked)
1 (3.4%)
Kahane Parties
5 (17.2%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: April 09, 2019, 05:19:44 AM

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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #640 on: March 02, 2020, 08:00:20 PM »
When can we expect to see some real results? Where to watch?
They're starting to trickle in HERE (official results).
Though hopefully not like last time where they said that the online results had a glitch and were inaccurate...

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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #641 on: March 03, 2020, 01:11:03 AM »
Any chance this will last?  I need John King....

With 34 percent of votes counted, Netanyahu's Likud leads with 36 seats, while Gantz's Kahol Lavan earns 28 seats.

The Joint List is currently the third largest party with 15 seats, closely followed by United Torah Judaism with 11 and Shas with 10.  Yamina and Labor-Gesher-Meretz stand at seven each, and Yisrael Beiteinu has six.
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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #642 on: March 03, 2020, 03:45:51 AM »
Any chance this will last?  I need John King....

With 34 percent of votes counted, Netanyahu's Likud leads with 36 seats, while Gantz's Kahol Lavan earns 28 seats.

The Joint List is currently the third largest party with 15 seats, closely followed by United Torah Judaism with 11 and Shas with 10.  Yamina and Labor-Gesher-Meretz stand at seven each, and Yisrael Beiteinu has six.


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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #643 on: March 03, 2020, 09:47:56 AM »
Forth election here we come!
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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #644 on: March 03, 2020, 11:44:15 AM »
I saw a tweet somewhere about perspective.

In the first round Netanyahu's block had 59 or 60 and it was a disaster. Last night as they thought they had 60 it was a HUGE WIN.

Will this country ever properly identify and punish Lieberman for all of this?
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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #645 on: March 03, 2020, 11:49:43 AM »
As I might have pointed out upthread, the major parties (and possibly UTJ and SHAS) are making a HUGE mistake by not appealing more to Arab voters. The Arab population has many domestic issues they care about, but they only had one alternative to vote for, which combined disparate ideologies and many that care more about the politics of the "Palestinian Cause" than the domestic issues of the Arab population.

The big story of the last few rounds is the increasing participation in the Arab sector. Someone needs to pay attention.
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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #646 on: March 03, 2020, 02:43:06 PM »
Ben Gvir needs to leave Israel. He should run for PA leadership. He is the biigest cause of heartache for the right. And then the chutzpah to blame Bennet and Peretz. Unbelievable

Wrong, IMHO.

In the previous rounds, he was a serious problem.

In this round it was 100% clear to EVERYONE that he isn't getting in. No-one had any illusions that he has even the slimmest chance to get in. He claims to have followed a ruling by Rabbi Dov Lior. I don't know Rabbi Lior's reasoning, but I highly doubt that the less than 18,000 votes that were cast for Ben Gvir would have made any difference one way or the other if he would have announced that he's out of the race, though politically he would have gained.
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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #647 on: March 03, 2020, 03:11:39 PM »
And.....The verdict is?

I guess a slightly strengthening right - up to 58 or 59, but not enough to break the stalemate
Ugh. Anyone know the date of the next elections?
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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #648 on: March 03, 2020, 03:24:40 PM »
Ugh. Anyone know the date of the next elections?

Probably sometime in Elul.

The following illustrates an important point. That even though the "right wing bloc" doesn't have a majority. The "left wing" is much further behind. There's no way Lieberman and the Arabs join forces.



It's all in Lieberman's hands again. Unless he buckles and finds a way to join a Netanyahu led government which includes UTJ and Shas, there's no way out of a round 4. B&W are too arrognat and stubborn to breakup their Never Bibi bloc that has nothing else holding them together.
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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #649 on: March 03, 2020, 03:27:06 PM »
Is it certain that "if" he gets 60 he has a defection and has 61?

I also think that if Leiberman+Left+Arabs don't have 61 ( meaning that Leiberman technically won't matter to the left ) if it will give Bibi Stronger chances of defections.

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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #650 on: March 03, 2020, 03:39:07 PM »
Is it certain that "if" he gets 60 he has a defection and has 61?

I also think that if Leiberman+Left+Arabs don't have 61 ( meaning that Leiberman technically won't matter to the left ) if it will give Bibi Stronger chances of defections.

The only possible defections might be Orly Levy and Lieberman. None are very likely.
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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #651 on: March 03, 2020, 04:16:24 PM »

Key B&W person admitting (at 1:17) that B&W stands for nothing other than "ethical cleanliness" which is a euphemism for Never Bibi. And that one cannot use that to win a ruling position in Israel.


https://www.mako.co.il/AjaxPage?jspName=embedHTML5video.jsp&galleryChannelId=1342d241a41a0710VgnVCM200000650a10acRCRD&videoChannelId=a9391fec4e8fe610VgnVCM200000650a10acRCRD&vcmid=5ed55251031a0710VgnVCM200000650a10acRCRD
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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #652 on: March 04, 2020, 06:27:54 AM »
The right is down to 58

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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #653 on: March 04, 2020, 09:40:09 AM »
Key B&W person admitting (at 1:17) that B&W stands for nothing other than "ethical cleanliness" which is a euphemism for Never Bibi. And that one cannot use that to win a ruling position in Israel.


https://www.mako.co.il/AjaxPage?jspName=embedHTML5video.jsp&galleryChannelId=1342d241a41a0710VgnVCM200000650a10acRCRD&videoChannelId=a9391fec4e8fe610VgnVCM200000650a10acRCRD&vcmid=5ed55251031a0710VgnVCM200000650a10acRCRD

considering Gantz and Yaalon (or ashkenazi) are going to be investigated now...the party is not gonna last another election.

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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #654 on: March 04, 2020, 10:44:15 AM »
As I might have pointed out upthread, the major parties (and possibly UTJ and SHAS) are making a HUGE mistake by not appealing more to Arab voters. The Arab population has many domestic issues they care about, but they only had one alternative to vote for, which combined disparate ideologies and many that care more about the politics of the "Palestinian Cause" than the domestic issues of the Arab population.

The big story of the last few rounds is the increasing participation in the Arab sector. Someone needs to pay attention.

Agree, stuff like child benefits, public services, transportation etc etc

They definitely can take 2-3 seats from the Arabs. This alone would turn the tide

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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #655 on: March 04, 2020, 11:37:39 AM »
considering Gantz and Yaalon (or ashkenazi) are going to be investigated now...the party is not gonna last another election.

You're underestimating the money that's driving them. Since it's all clandestine (and illegal) we don't have the figures of $ per seat like we have the $$$$ per delegate for Bloomberg, but there are very deep pockets funding this, and the fact that Netanyahu can't break the stalemate for the 3rd time, and the hopes that they will manage to get him down with the aid of the courts, puts lots of wind in their sails.
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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #656 on: March 04, 2020, 11:39:03 AM »
Agree, stuff like child benefits, public services, transportation etc etc

They definitely can take 2-3 seats from the Arabs. This alone would turn the tide
You're forgetting the violent crime rates.

But now isn't the time to work on it. It needed to be started the day after the 2015 election.
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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #658 on: March 04, 2020, 04:46:25 PM »
considering Gantz and Yaalon (or ashkenazi) are going to be investigated now...the party is not gonna last another election.
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Re: 2019-2020 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #659 on: March 06, 2020, 02:59:50 AM »


The Leiberman shtick of changing the law won't happen until a Govt is formed basically ruling that out.

B&W ( Ganz in particular ) may be cautious with going for a round 4...

So far no defections....

So what happens now?