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Who are you leaning towards?

Likud
5 (17.2%)
Blue and White
0 (0%)
Shas
0 (0%)
Charedi Parties(UTJ Aguda)
15 (51.7%)
Labor
2 (6.9%)
Zeut
1 (3.4%)
Meretz
0 (0%)
Yisroel Bateinu
0 (0%)
New Right (Bennet, Shaked)
1 (3.4%)
Kahane Parties
5 (17.2%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: April 09, 2019, 05:19:44 AM

Author Topic: 2019 Israeli election  (Read 7647 times)

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #90 on: April 10, 2019, 01:23:14 AM »
Would anyone know where I could find info on the litvishe shita on the state of Israel in general and specifically voting?
 I was shmoozing with a friend today and he was all upset about what satmer is doing now with their asifa in The stadium this week and their ads that they put out, saying that Torah Jews donít believe in the zionist state. He was saying how itís a chillul Hashem. So I answered him that the truth is, that our (litvishe/yeshivish) shita is much closer to what satmer holds than to what Netanyahu ( or more correctly the zionists of old) holds. And he was shocked, but I think Iím right. Does anyone know of any books or a website that would explain it?
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #91 on: April 10, 2019, 01:45:29 AM »
Congratulations Netanyahu.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #92 on: April 10, 2019, 01:47:35 AM »
Congratulations Netanyahu.
Official or not yet?
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #93 on: April 10, 2019, 02:56:34 AM »
Official or not yet?

It is official that he will be Prime Minister, how many seats he gets is not official.  I am shocked by Zeut's and Bennetts destruction. Shaked aligned herself with the wrong person.

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #94 on: April 10, 2019, 06:38:23 AM »
R' Reuven Grozovsky and R' Elchonon both have plenty written on the topic.
Thanx where would i find it? Is it in a Sefer somewhere?
I think my friend would only be able to read it if itís in English

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #95 on: April 10, 2019, 07:08:53 AM »
Thanx where would i find it? Is it in a Sefer somewhere?
I think my friend would only be able to read it if itís in English
https://www.amazon.com/Empty-Wagon-Zionisms-journey-identity/dp/1642555541


I haven't read it,but my impression is that he had an agenda to marry the litvish hashkofa with satmar.

So in reality he's probably 80% accurate and 20% satmar influence. Not the pure hashkofa.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #96 on: April 10, 2019, 08:10:52 AM »
Can someone explain, how this election helps anything? The previous government was vary narrow with approx 66 seats. Lieberman "quit" so a few months later Bibi called for new elections.
Wont it be the same way now all over again?
Bibi will create "right" government with the same narrow coalition, and then again Lieberman can bolt in a few months and were right back to were we were.

It helps with Bibi's legal troubles.

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #97 on: April 10, 2019, 08:38:30 AM »
It is official that he will be Prime Minister, how many seats he gets is not official.  I am shocked by Zeut's and Bennetts destruction. Shaked aligned herself with the wrong person.
Zehut wasn't destroyed, it was never more than a cloud of smoke (pun intended). The non-commitment to support either support Netanyahu or Gantz definitely didn't help anyone who wanted to get in.

As for the New Right, they didn't really put forth a compelling story. They are seen as spineless opportunistic troublemakers that eventually do the right thing. So if my choice is between Shaked and another vote that might get Ben Gvir in, I am sure many would choose the latter.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2019, 09:38:26 AM by ExGingi »
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #98 on: April 10, 2019, 09:39:05 AM »
Official or not yet?
https://ladaat.co/archives/24853

Probably by tomorrow afternoon (Israel time) we will have final results.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #99 on: April 10, 2019, 09:50:22 AM »
With one historical exception (in which the Rebbe instructed to support UTJ), the Rebbe's instructions have always been for individuals to vote for מפלגה החרדית ביותר, and that Chabad doesn't endorse any party.

So who generally is the מפלגה החרדית ביותר that you are saying UTJ was the exception?

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #100 on: April 10, 2019, 09:50:52 AM »
https://www.amazon.com/Empty-Wagon-Zionisms-journey-identity/dp/1642555541


I haven't read it,but my impression is that he had an agenda to marry the litvish hashkofa with satmar.

So in reality he's probably 80% accurate and 20% satmar influence. Not the pure hashkofa.
No way near 80% accurate.
Recreating history , choosing the Gedolim/Shitos that fit the narrative. Partially accurate but incorrect overall view/agenda .
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #101 on: April 10, 2019, 09:53:05 AM »
Would anyone know where I could find info on the litvishe shita on the state of Israel in general and specifically voting?
 I was shmoozing with a friend today and he was all upset about what satmer is doing now with their asifa in The stadium this week and their ads that they put out, saying that Torah Jews donít believe in the zionist state. He was saying how itís a chillul Hashem. So I answered him that the truth is, that our (litvishe/yeshivish) shita is much closer to what satmer holds than to what Netanyahu ( or more correctly the zionists of old) holds. And he was shocked, but I think Iím right. Does anyone know of any books or a website that would explain it?
You have it wrong:

Satmar's main priority with this demonstration is not to protest against Bibi - it's to protest against most of Chareidi Jews and their Gedolim for not being in line with their "shitah"....

It is indeed terrible......

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #102 on: April 10, 2019, 09:54:33 AM »
So who generally is the מפלגה החרדית ביותר that you are saying UTJ was the exception?

The exception was publicly and officially supporting a specific party, rather than leaving it to individual judgment, which is based on subjective opinions. I have no doubt in my mind that if Gafni and Eichler weren't in the UTJ list, UTJ would get a much larger portion of the Kfar Chabad vote.

Some of the logic used, is that a true חרדי would know that פיקוח נפש goes ahead of many other things, and supporting a left wing government (or agenda of appeasement) is regarded as Pikuach Nefesh.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #103 on: April 10, 2019, 09:56:05 AM »
The exception was publicly and officially supporting a specific party, rather than leaving it to individual judgment, which is based on subjective opinions. I have no doubt in my mind that if Gafni and Eichler weren't in the UTJ list, UTJ would get a much larger portion of the Kfar Chabad vote.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #104 on: April 10, 2019, 10:00:20 AM »
The exception was publicly and officially supporting a specific party, rather than leaving it to individual judgment, which is based on subjective opinions. I have no doubt in my mind that if Gafni and Eichler weren't in the UTJ list, UTJ would get a much larger portion of the Kfar Chabad vote.

Some of the logic used, is that a true חרדי would know that פיקוח נפש goes ahead of many other things, and supporting a left wing government (or agenda of appeasement) is regarded as Pikuach Nefesh.
So Shas?