Poll

Who are you leaning towards?

Likud
5 (17.2%)
Blue and White
0 (0%)
Shas
0 (0%)
Charedi Parties(UTJ Aguda)
15 (51.7%)
Labor
2 (6.9%)
Zeut
1 (3.4%)
Meretz
0 (0%)
Yisroel Bateinu
0 (0%)
New Right (Bennet, Shaked)
1 (3.4%)
Kahane Parties
5 (17.2%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: April 09, 2019, 05:19:44 AM

Author Topic: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)  (Read 97404 times)

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #540 on: December 05, 2019, 01:07:25 AM »
At this point all the big parties know they are going to elections.
Why don't the big parties come together today, and dissolve the Knesset today, so that the election campaign can get underway earlier?
Is it because Bibi has no incentive to get the clock moving?

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #541 on: December 05, 2019, 02:56:21 PM »
Why do it actively when that will make you the villain who wanted third elections, when it can happen passively and not be your fault?
Life isn't about checking the boxes. Nobody cares.

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #542 on: December 11, 2019, 09:06:46 PM »
Next round scheduled for Mar 2. Unless there's some kind of exogenous shock, there's no reason to believe that we will see anything but déjà vu all over again.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #543 on: December 11, 2019, 09:23:19 PM »
What happened to direct elections?
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #544 on: December 11, 2019, 09:26:48 PM »
What happened to direct elections?
The knesset offically disbanded so I don't think they really have that option.

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #545 on: December 11, 2019, 09:30:03 PM »
What happened to direct elections?
You really expected a transitional government with a hung parliament to pass such a law.  ::)

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #546 on: December 11, 2019, 09:34:16 PM »
Doesn't need to be a law. Make it a one-off.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #547 on: December 11, 2019, 09:42:40 PM »
Doesn't need to be a law. Make it a one-off.

In a place of law and order, a one-off requires legislation.  ::)

As an aside, I just saw a comment on one of the Israeli websites saying: "what difference will another round make, nothing will change until they reintroduce good old election fraud. "
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #548 on: December 11, 2019, 09:47:02 PM »
In a place of law and order, a one-off requires legislation.  ::)
It's a lot easier to pass one-off legislation than permanent change. Blame would go on those that refuse to find a way out of this insanity.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #549 on: December 11, 2019, 09:49:56 PM »
It's a lot easier to pass one-off legislation than permanent change. Blame would go on those that refuse to find a way out of this insanity.

How would direct PM election be a way out? What can he do without the parliament?

Did Boris Johnson have an easy job once he was appointed PM without full backing in parliament?

And why would any of the players vote for it? What's in it for them?
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #550 on: December 11, 2019, 10:01:47 PM »
How would direct PM election be a way out? What can he do without the parliament?

And why would any of the players vote for it? What's in it for them?
This isn't rocket science. With a directly elected PM there wouldn't be drama about who will be PM first. Alliances will be much easier to make with that off the table.

If you don't go for it you'll be seen as causing an endless elections cycle, which will cost you votes.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #551 on: December 12, 2019, 02:36:00 AM »
Meanwhile King Bibi will stay PM through all these rounds of elections. He doesnt care :).....Benenet is Defense Minister Smotrich is Transportation Minister Deri is well Deri and the right wing stays in power.

If March brings no change (which seems to be the case according to every poll) then Bibi will be PM through September....

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #552 on: December 12, 2019, 07:44:24 AM »
And the country will go bankrupt. This is ridiculous already. And there is no way out. We should just schedule the September elections already
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #553 on: December 16, 2019, 04:18:35 PM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #554 on: December 16, 2019, 04:29:59 PM »
And there is no way out.
Sure there is. I've been saying it since day 1.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #555 on: December 16, 2019, 04:42:03 PM »
Sure there is. I've been saying it since day 1.

OK. Let's play it through. Let's assume that in any of the last two elections there was a separate vote for PM and Netanyahu won.

B&W that was founded (and IMHO we might find out one day how it was funded) for the sole purpose of defeating Netanyahu, doesn't play along.

Lieberman, who is personally responsible for bringing about the last 2 rounds and would be happy to see Netanyahu defeated, doesn't play along.

Labor (or whatever they are called in their current incarnation) don't play along.

Arabs - well that's a hot potato even for the left wing.

Netanyahu is PM without a majority in the Knesset, with an overhang of an indictment.

Now what?

Remember, your solution was tried before and was done away with pretty fast.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #556 on: December 16, 2019, 04:42:50 PM »
If bibi would resign, there could have been a unity govt after the 1st or 2nd election.

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #557 on: December 16, 2019, 04:45:56 PM »
OK. Let's play it through. Let's assume that in any of the last two elections there was a separate vote for PM and Netanyahu won.

B&W that was founded (and IMHO we might find out one day how it was funded) for the sole purpose of defeating Netanyahu, doesn't play along.

Lieberman, who is personally responsible for bringing about the last 2 rounds and would be happy to see Netanyahu defeated, doesn't play along.

Labor (or whatever they are called in their current incarnation) don't play along.

Arabs - well that's a hot potato even for the left wing.

Netanyahu is PM without a majority in the Knesset, with an overhang of an indictment.

Now what?

Remember, your solution was tried before and was done away with pretty fast.
It they wouldn't play along they would get voted out. Or a new PM would win if they were seen as the problem.
Self correcting problem either way.
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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #558 on: December 16, 2019, 04:49:32 PM »
It they wouldn't play along they would get voted out. Or a new PM would win if they were seen as the problem.
Self correcting problem either way.
Why would that happen more if there are direct PM elections?
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: 2019 Israeli election
« Reply #559 on: December 16, 2019, 04:53:36 PM »
It they wouldn't play along they would get voted out. Or a new PM would win if they were seen as the problem.
Self correcting problem either way.
Bibi wouldn't get 50% of the electorate, it would at most a plurality. Even if there's a runoff, I think most B&W voters want them to stand up to bibi, otherwise they would have lost a lot between elections 1 and 2.