Total Members Voted: 29
Voting closed: April 09, 2019, 05:19:44 AM
Please enlighten us, what's wrong with zionism?
I heard an interview today with Porush on Kol Baramah. He was being asked about this - Charedim abandoning gimmel and voting for Smotrich/Ben Gvir.He first dismissed it out of hand, saying that every election cycle there is talk about charedim moving to Likud or Bennet and there is even polling indicating that and it never plays out (a better interviewer would have asked here about the mayoral elections in Beit Shemesh, but I digress)They followed up and said - that's different - to vote Likud or Bennet you really have to put your frumkeit on the side, but this is a true dati party.He responded that anyone who feels מושמד as a charedi will understand that they need to vote for gimmel. Smotrich won't take care of you - he will take care of bnei akiva, not charedim (he ignored the question as to why he couldn't care for both). He added, if anything there are dati leumi/chardalniks who empathize with the plight of the charedim as an oppressed people and will vote gimmel in solidarity. I honestly find the argument to be so weak - vote for us because you are an oppressed victim and we are the only ones who will defend you. Such a negative propaganda based campaign.I think gimmel has 3 sets of voters:1. Those who ideologically are in line with the party2. Those who fear the propaganda and think without the party, the state will raid them at night and shmad their children3. Those who are reluctant to vote against the gedolim and fear going up to shamayim and having to answer why they didn't put their lot with the charedim ldvar hashem (for the record I'm part of this group)I wonder what percentage fit into group 2 and group 3 and at what point the grip will be loosened and they will start to lose those voters in large numbers
If it wasn't clear, I meant religious zionism
What is religious about zionism?
Have you read Tanach? A deep desire for the land of Israel is something very deeply rooted in our religion.I don't think my definition of zionism is what is being addressed in any of these articles/kuntresim
AFAIK א. גיטלין is a pseudonym used by Hgaon Uriel Zimmer A"H. Rumor has it that this was written with the encouragement of the Rebbe.
Found this:https://www.amazon.com/Torah-Judaism-State-Israel-Uriel-Zimmer/dp/B0007IW2DSAnd in English, poor PDF quality:https://www.truetorahjews.org/images/torah_judaism_and_the_state_of_israel.pdf
what percentage fit into group 2 and group 3 and at what point the grip will be loosened and they will start to lose those voters in large numbers
What does a deep desire for the land have to do with zionism?It will be difficult for anyone to discuss your top secret definition of zionism without proper security clearance.
My understand of religious zionism is the movement to return to the holy land as a kiyum of the mitzvah d'oraisah
Very few (Satmer?) argue with that
If there was any question that the Israeli DOJ prosecution is infinitely more corrupt than Bibbi here they are lying in court again
There are many that don't hold that there is such a Mitzvah s'Oraisa.
{citation needed}(Not being counted among the taryag is not a raayah)