Poll

Who are you leaning towards?

Likud
5 (17.2%)
Blue and White
0 (0%)
Shas
0 (0%)
Charedi Parties(UTJ Aguda)
15 (51.7%)
Labor
2 (6.9%)
Zeut
1 (3.4%)
Meretz
0 (0%)
Yisroel Bateinu
0 (0%)
New Right (Bennet, Shaked)
1 (3.4%)
Kahane Parties
5 (17.2%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: April 09, 2019, 05:19:44 AM

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1060 on: March 26, 2021, 02:39:35 AM »
There’s a great visualization of geographic breakdown in this tweet

https://twitter.com/dror_etkes/status/1375312420751695875

Would Bibi take the job of President (with a pardon)?
President confers immunity so he wouldn’t even need a pardon, but he’s repeatedly declined it. The stalemate isn’t a problem for him. He has big aspirations and a viable pathway to accomplish them.

UAL already announced they won’t be part of the anti-Bibbi bloc to facilitate replacing the Kennset Chairman (a necessary step in any kind of legislation to remove Bibbi), suggesting they are aligned with Bibbi much more than Lapid, and in reality Bibbi has more of a majority than the bloc against him.
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1063 on: March 30, 2021, 05:16:25 PM »
Is it possible that Bennet has the strongest hand right now? What is the smallest political party that has had the premiership?
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1064 on: March 30, 2021, 08:07:47 PM »
Is it possible that Bennet has the strongest hand right now? What is the smallest political party that has had the premiership?
No where near single digits. Possibly Barak in ‘99.

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1065 on: March 31, 2021, 06:44:45 AM »
Is it possible that Bennet has the strongest hand right now? What is the smallest political party that has had the premiership?
Saar is the kingmaker. With the Arabs, Lapid has a government without Bennet (but Saar appears to be blocking it). Without the Arabs, Lapid doesn't have a government even with Bennet. Saar can give Bibbi a government without the Arabs, in which case Bennet is taken for granted, but Bennet alone cannot give Bibbi a gov't without Arabs. The only thing Bennet can do is block Bibbi from a narrow government with the UAL Arabs, but so can Smotrich.

If there is another round of elections, Bennet & Saar may run together, they are both too close to staying out.
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1066 on: April 01, 2021, 09:55:57 AM »
Great article about some of the root causes of Israeli Arab criminal violence and discontent

https://twitter.com/talschneider/status/1377580564669140993
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1067 on: April 01, 2021, 10:02:36 AM »

While the political participation of Arabs sounds great for democracy, every bit more accepted they become may Ch’v lead to increased intermarriage, and will hasten the inevitable point when Arabs in Gaza & the West Bank demand Israeli citizenship instead of their own state, which is by far the greatest threat to Israel as a Jewish country - much more than Iran.
Mansour Abbas, chairman of the United Arab List (Ra’am) is giving a prime time speech at 8pm today discussing his political agenda. It will likely be broadcast by all the Israeli outlets, which is a monumental landmark event. He appears to be more aligned with Bibbi but isn’t anticipated to commit his support to either side yet.
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1069 on: April 02, 2021, 10:06:53 AM »
Trying to predict anything is totally futile. Hasn't Covid-19 taught us anything? (And DJT prior to that).
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1073 on: April 04, 2021, 03:33:55 PM »
Mansour Abbas's (UAL) stated potential willingness to join Bibbi's bloc and carry it over the line to 61/63 is exposing a noteworthy ideological delta in Bibbi's camp, on one side Charedim who see the Jewish state (at best) as an instrument of Jewish safety and religious prosperity, with RCK openly stating pro-religion Arabs are a better governing ally than atheist Jews, while on the other hand the religious zionist Mizrachi (Smotrich/R Drukman) see Jewish sovereignty of Israel as a lofty ideal worthy of sacrificing Jewish safety & religious sanctity, so the idea of being governed by Arabs is abhorrent beyond consideration.

In the middle, Bibbi himself has his lips sealed and hasn't said anything about it since the elections, and the Chassidim question the tactical & strategic superiority more than the ideological debate. Public opinion polls are showing the difference is on the individual voter level, not only the leadership.

https://twitter.com/zalmanovitz/status/1377930302207762432

vs

https://www.facebook.com/429184557235927/posts/1913536898800678/

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1074 on: April 04, 2021, 10:37:17 PM »
When is next election taking place?
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1075 on: April 04, 2021, 10:45:59 PM »
Are we almost at the end yet?
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1076 on: April 04, 2021, 11:21:51 PM »
Are we almost at the end yet?

As in: ודוד עבדי נשיא להם לעולם?
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1077 on: April 04, 2021, 11:59:18 PM »
Are we almost at the end yet?

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1078 on: April 05, 2021, 10:00:54 AM »
At the end of the day, Saar is the kingmaker. He can make Lapid PM even without Bennet, and he can make Bibbi PM with a guaranteed Bennet. The question is, what can anybody give him that will somehow make him relevant?

Saar is the kingmaker. With the Arabs, Lapid has a government without Bennet (but Saar appears to be blocking it). Without the Arabs, Lapid doesn't have a government even with Bennet. Saar can give Bibbi a government without the Arabs, in which case Bennet is taken for granted, but Bennet alone cannot give Bibbi a gov't without Arabs. The only thing Bennet can do is block Bibbi from a narrow government with the UAL Arabs, but so can Smotrich.

If there is another round of elections, Bennet & Saar may run together, they are both too close to staying out.

Saar׳s recommendation shortly will decide who has more recommendations for the mandate to attempt to form a government. Bibbi has 52, Lapid has 47. If Saar gives it to Lapid, he has 53. Since Israel was founded, the president always assigned the mandate to the candidate with the most recommendations. Rivlin has made conflicting statements on whether or not he’ll stick to it, but he probably will (he doesn’t like Bibbi and nobody else has a realistic chance of success worth departing from precedent).

As it seems Saar will support Bennet, it looks like Bennet has the only thing that can help Saar survive - uniting with him so he isn’t threatened by the entrance threshold.


When is next election taking place?
Aug 31 if Rivlin gives the mandate once and not twice. End of Sep if he gives it twice. Some talk of him not giving it at all which would make it earlier, but it’s not clear he has that option without resigning (in which case his authority would transfer to the Chairman of the Kennset, Likud rep Yariv Levin.
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1079 on: April 05, 2021, 11:19:21 AM »
Any way for Saar to join a Bibi government without looking bad?