Poll

Who are you leaning towards?

Likud
5 (17.2%)
Blue and White
0 (0%)
Shas
0 (0%)
Charedi Parties(UTJ Aguda)
15 (51.7%)
Labor
2 (6.9%)
Zeut
1 (3.4%)
Meretz
0 (0%)
Yisroel Bateinu
0 (0%)
New Right (Bennet, Shaked)
1 (3.4%)
Kahane Parties
5 (17.2%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: April 09, 2019, 05:19:44 AM

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1200 on: May 09, 2021, 05:39:01 PM »
Will the change bloc actually form a government?!?
All of the main players seem to be onboard and committed to make it work, but they have 61 votes and one already deserted, so another deserter seems to be the best hope.
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1201 on: May 09, 2021, 06:16:37 PM »
I think anti-charedi is a better name for the bloc. That's the one thing they have in common.

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The only thing they have in common is Anyone But Bibi.  There's absolutely nothing else they have in common, which is why everyone is predicting it can't last, because once their mission was accomplished they just have too many things they fundamentally disagree upon (the Jewishness of the state being a very significant one).
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1202 on: May 09, 2021, 06:28:49 PM »
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The only thing they have in common is Anyone But Bibi.  There's absolutely nothing else they have in common, which is why everyone is predicting it can't last, because once their mission was accomplished they just have too many things they fundamentally disagree upon (the Jewishness of the state being a very significant one).
The problem is the right wing factions (Bennet & Saar) are guaranteed to be extinct if the gov't dissolves and it goes to elections, so they're likely to just capitulate to any demand from the left wing, who also won't risk losing to Bibbi in a new election, so it can go on for a while.

What's working against them is the narrow numbers - one or two deserters can spoil the whole party at any point.
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1203 on: May 09, 2021, 06:50:40 PM »
The problem is the right wing factions (Bennet & Saar) are guaranteed highly likely to be extinct if the gov't dissolves and it goes to elections, so they're likely to just capitulate to any demand from the left wing, who also won't risk losing to Bibbi in a new election, so it can go on for a while.
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Nothing is guaranteed. Never underestimate the stupidity and gullibility of Israeli voters. Who would have thought Gantz would make it into the Knesset in the last round? And the same can almost be said for Sa'ar.
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1204 on: May 09, 2021, 09:05:10 PM »
All of the main players seem to be onboard and committed to make it work, but they have 61 votes and one already deserted, so another deserter seems to be the best hope.

How do they get to 60?
I don’t think the Arabs will join a secular government for their own religious reasons.

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1205 on: May 09, 2021, 09:54:48 PM »
How do they get to 60?
I don’t think the Arabs will join a secular government for their own religious reasons.
The Islamist Ra’am party is expected to actively back, but not be part of, a unity government led by Yamina chief Naftali Bennett and Yesh Atid leader Yair Lapid, providing key backing that the pair need to build a coalition, Israeli media reported.

In return, the emerging government will honor a list of Ra’am demands said to include budgets to fight violent crime in the Arab community and recognizing three Bedouin communities in the south of the country currently considered illegal. Ra’am leader MK Mansour Abbas is reported to have made other demands aimed at increasing government activities on behalf of the Arab community.

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1207 on: May 11, 2021, 03:54:54 AM »
. Who would have thought Gantz would make it into the Knesset in the last round?
Everybody. Just about every poll throughout the election cycle.

He will also likely grow further if there is another round
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1208 on: May 11, 2021, 03:56:02 AM »
How do they get to 60?
I don’t think the Arabs will join a secular government for their own religious reasons.
Until yesterday it seemed forgone than UAL would join. There was an official shopping list that Bennet & Lapid OK’d.
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1209 on: May 11, 2021, 09:36:32 AM »
What the Arabs are capable of accomplishing...


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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1210 on: May 11, 2021, 05:59:10 PM »
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1211 on: May 12, 2021, 10:42:49 PM »
Until yesterday it seemed forgone than UAL would join. There was an official shopping list that Bennet & Lapid OK’d.

What's the story with anti Bibi coalition now? I guess it's history now without Abbas? What're other options after Lapid mandate runs out?

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1212 on: May 13, 2021, 01:20:11 PM »
Elections!!!

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« Reply #1213 on: May 13, 2021, 01:50:07 PM »
Benet just isn't PM material. Barely a political leader.

Getting guaranteed placement in the next Likud list is the best he could have hoped for after not learning his lesson from not passing the threshold one time before, and that was before he reneged on (all?) major pre-election commitments.
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« Reply #1214 on: May 13, 2021, 02:15:42 PM »
Yamina party leader Naftali Bennett has taken “off the table” the option of forming a government without Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud, due to the ongoing military conflict with Gaza terrorists, a political source says.

Bennett has renewed his negotiations with Likud due to the emergency situation, and teams from both parties met today, the source says on condition of anonymity.

That is a major U-turn for Bennett, who was reportedly already set to announce the formation of a so-called “change government” headed by himself and Yesh Atid chief Yair Lapid, when the round of conflict began.

The potential government that had been negotiated included the Islamist Ra’am party, a local branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is affiliated with the Hamas terror group against which Israel is currently fighting. Ra’am has suspended coalition talks until the hostilities end.

Bennett explains in closed conversations that a government with Ra’am would not be able to deal with the current situation. He says the security situation is the top priority and that he is working to form a “broad national unity government.”

He is thus canceling all the agreements with Lapid and saying that “when there is a wave of pogroms by Arabs across the country, and when IDF forces must be involved, this is a reality-changing event.

“The change government being formed won’t be able to deal with it,” he says, according to the source.
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« Reply #1215 on: May 13, 2021, 02:19:21 PM »
Bennett said to reach deal to back direct PM elections along with Ra’am

Yamina party leader has reportedly reached a deal with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Ra’am leader Mansour Abbas for both Yamina and Ra’am to support the premier’s initiative to hold direct elections for prime minister.

Channel 12 news reports that as part of the deal, Bennett and his No. 2 Ayelet Shaked will get reserved spots on the electoral slate of Netanyahu’s Likud party and will be made defense and foreign ministers.
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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1216 on: May 13, 2021, 03:19:51 PM »
Bennett said to reach deal to back direct PM elections along with Ra’am

Yamina party leader has reportedly reached a deal with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Ra’am leader Mansour Abbas for both Yamina and Ra’am to support the premier’s initiative to hold direct elections for prime minister.

Channel 12 news reports that as part of the deal, Bennett and his No. 2 Ayelet Shaked will get reserved spots on the electoral slate of Netanyahu’s Likud party and will be made defense and foreign ministers.

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1217 on: May 13, 2021, 03:24:02 PM »
Bennett explains in closed conversations that a government with Ra’am would not be able to deal with the current situation. He says the security situation is the top priority and that he is working to form a “broad national unity government.”

So until this happened he was willing to create a government that he concerns would be incapable of dealing with Hamas attacking? Was security not his top priority until now?

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Re: 2019-2021 Israeli Election (See Also: Definition Of Insanity)
« Reply #1218 on: May 13, 2021, 03:25:29 PM »
So until this happened he was willing to create a government that he concerns would be incapable of dealing with Hamas attacking? Was security not his top priority until now?
Of course not! He's a politician! His top priority is his Kavod!
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« Reply #1219 on: May 13, 2021, 04:19:07 PM »
So until this happened he was willing to create a government that he concerns would be incapable of dealing with Hamas attacking? Was security not his top priority until now?

I think he may be referencing the internal issues, which weren't on anyone's radar (at this level, at least) prior to this week.
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