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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
« Reply #105 on: March 13, 2019, 12:53:37 PM »
Simple. Dangerous plane vs pilot error.

Who says the Boeing isn't at fault here? - I'm not saying that yes but you seem to have this confirmed that it's definitely the pilots

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
« Reply #106 on: March 13, 2019, 12:54:15 PM »
Black Boxes are being sent to Germany, is there no issues involved & ET does NOT want it to go the Washington?

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
« Reply #108 on: March 13, 2019, 12:56:00 PM »
Who says the Boeing isn't at fault here? - I'm not saying that yes but you seem to have this confirmed that it's definitely the pilots
Boeing is at fault for making MCAS react to just one sensor and I have no idea why only AA has 2 sensors. And Boeing should have better disclosed MCAS.
But pilots should know how to turn off MCAS.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
« Reply #109 on: March 13, 2019, 12:59:13 PM »
Boeing is at fault for making MCAS react to just one sensor and I have no idea why only AA has 2 sensors. And Boeing should have better disclosed MCAS.
But pilots should know how to turn off MCAS.

You are reminding me of AF447 - also pilots from a first world society and they didn't override the A/P

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
« Reply #110 on: March 13, 2019, 01:00:11 PM »
Boeing is at fault for making MCAS react to just one sensor and I have no idea why only AA has 2 sensors. And Boeing should have better disclosed MCAS.
But pilots should know how to turn off MCAS.

+1

IMHO there is no excuse for putting a pilot with 200 hours in the cockpit of a commercial airliner.

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
« Reply #111 on: March 13, 2019, 01:05:40 PM »
It's not going to be grounded.
that didnt last long

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
« Reply #112 on: March 13, 2019, 01:07:08 PM »
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
« Reply #113 on: March 13, 2019, 01:09:23 PM »
Link?
none i was referring to Canada... i'm a betting man and would put money down that within 24 hours FAA will too, if the airlines dont themselves. lots of mounting political pressure. stock seems to be shrugging it off today though

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
« Reply #114 on: March 13, 2019, 01:12:51 PM »
that didnt last long
Was referring to US, as I said.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
« Reply #115 on: March 13, 2019, 01:13:06 PM »


none i was referring to Canada... i'm a betting man and would put money down that within 24 hours FAA will too, if the airlines dont themselves. lots of mounting political pressure. stock seems to be shrugging it off today though
Since it's been grounded by countries and airlines for the last 24 hours, Dan was clearly referring to the US, as he wrote 2 messages below that.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
« Reply #116 on: March 13, 2019, 01:19:10 PM »
Was referring to US, as I said.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
« Reply #117 on: March 13, 2019, 01:21:08 PM »
How are you so sure that even though they don't think it should be grounded they won't cave to the pressure?
Sure? I'm not sure at all, it's an educated guess.
I think they would have done so by now if they were going to ground it. At this point I think they'll stick to their guns. Though if pax stop booking it, airlines may ground it voluntarily.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
« Reply #118 on: March 13, 2019, 01:32:26 PM »
https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safety/the-world-pulls-the-andon-cord-on-the-737-max/

Great article on how we got to where we are today with the 737 MAX

“If it was Southwest Airlines and American Airlines and not Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines five months apart, the 737 Max fleet would’ve been grounded by Sunday evening”

While true, it isn’t hypocrisy per se, pilots professionalism/training probably plays a huge role in these decisions.

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737 crash. 150+ dead
« Reply #119 on: March 13, 2019, 01:33:10 PM »
“If it was Southwest Airlines and American Airlines and not Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines five months apart, the 737 Max fleet would’ve been grounded by Sunday evening”

While true, it isn’t hypocrisy per se, pilots professionalism/training probably plays a huge role in these decisions.
AA and WN wouldn't have had a student co-pilot either...
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