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Is it really possible to say every word in the tiffilah in the amount of time they do it?

Yes
No,impossible.
Every other word.
Thats why I daven nusach askenaz.
I end up skipping it because I would be the last one in the shul.

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This is not about the speed of davening...
Then what is it about ? Whenever I daven in yeshiva I can finish tachnun. When I daven in a shtiebel, I can never finish it. ( I daven askenaz and the minyan davens nusach sefard, which is significantly shorter tachnun so I really can’t finish it. I finish it between aliyos or after davening )

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Same with the end of selichos, somehow the chazzan can rip through like 6 solid pages.
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Same with the end of selichos, somehow the chazzan can rip through like 6 solid pages.
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Kefitzas Haderech.

Sshhh not everyone here knows you're a malach
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For me, it's Brich Shmei if they want me to do psicha - is it possible to do psicha and still say it?

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Same with the end of selichos, somehow the chazzan can rip through like 6 solid pages of poetic liturgy.
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I have the opposite problem of all of you! So stop complaining

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I have the opposite problem of all of you! So stop complaining
you should be happy with that and shouldn't make the other ones feel like fools because of that
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I would call myself an average baal tefillah and I try to be fair and let people catch up after Krias shema, I find that there are 3 groups of people that daven in a minyan 1) from beginning till after shmonei esrei, 2) borchu till aleinu, and finally 3) those that are there for the full program. Yet, once I am ready to start shmonei esrei I have to wait for 10. I've had a guy walk in late and berate me for going too quick, I stepped aside and gave him the floor. That guy didn't like it but had no choice. I've got plenty of stories, from broches to Reb yishmoel in under 2min - I don't know how that's done yet.

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I would call myself an average baal tefillah and I try to be fair and let people catch up after Krias shema, I find that there are 3 groups of people that daven in a minyan 1) from beginning till after shmonei esrei, 2) borchu till aleinu, and finally 3) those that are there for the full program. Yet, once I am ready to start shmonei esrei I have to wait for 10. I've had a guy walk in late and berate me for going too quick, I stepped aside and gave him the floor. That guy didn't like it but had no choice. I've got plenty of stories, from broches to Reb yishmoel in under 2min - I don't know how that's done yet.

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How about במה מדליקין?

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Last nights Aleinu was super slow

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Same with the end of selichos, somehow the chazzan can rip through like 6 solid pages.

I don’t thing everyone says everything at the end of slichos. I pick and chose the ones that I connect with making sure to leave in the aval anachnu... and ashamnu which are the ikar. Not much point in saying all of the aleph beis acrostics just to turn the pages and move my lips. טוב מעט בכוונה.

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I don’t thing everyone says everything at the end of slichos. I pick and chose the ones that I connect with making sure to leave in the aval anachnu... and ashamnu which are the ikar. Not much point in saying all of the aleph beis acrostics just to turn the pages and move my lips. טוב מעט בכוונה.
Not true as it is mekubel by us that this paragraphs with the alef beis is the most important part of the selichos!!
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How about במה מדליקין?
I can count how many times I've said bameh madlikin in the friday night davening.
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I don’t thing everyone says everything at the end of slichos. I pick and chose the ones that I connect with making sure to leave in the aval anachnu... and ashamnu which are the ikar. Not much point in saying all of the aleph beis acrostics just to turn the pages and move my lips. טוב מעט בכוונה.
And you admit to it? Btw, some people specifically do not say ashamnu more than once. But I definitely never heard of anyone lekatchila skipping pieces. Maybe you should consider davening with a slower minyan. After learning Mateh Efraim and associated Perushim I don't think you would want to intentionally skip any parts of Selichos.

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And you admit to it? Btw, some people specifically do not say ashamnu more than once. But I definitely never heard of anyone lekatchila skipping pieces. Maybe you should consider davening with a slower minyan. After learning Mateh Efraim and associated Perushim I don't think you would want to intentionally skip any parts of Selichos.
טוב מעט בכוונה.

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See the sources I quoted, and the option provided...

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And you admit to it? Btw, some people specifically do not say ashamnu more than once. But I definitely never heard of anyone lekatchila skipping pieces. Maybe you should consider davening with a slower minyan. After learning Mateh Efraim and associated Perushim I don't think you would want to intentionally skip any parts of Selichos.

I admit it. See attached. I also plead guilty to skipping some of the kinnos (from the ones not written by Rav Elazar Hakalir) such as some of the ציון ones if I find that one or more of the kinnos connects with me particularly , and I want to take it slow because that kinnah brings out emotions of the churban and galus. I find that preferable to rattling off all of the kinnos just to have gone through all of them. (The maharil did not say all of the kinnos).

By the avoda of Yom Kippur I had a hard time with the אמיץ כח piyyut. The language is difficult (along with some of the phrases such as והפר צווי כפתי) so I say the sefard version that is clear and allows me to understand and connect to  what I am saying.

I think that many of us are just not willing to admit that we need work on our davening. In the fairly yeshivishe place where I daven on shabbos the reason the guys are running for the seforim the moment they come in, and spend much of davening learning, is not because they simply can’t  tear themselves away from learning; its because davening is difficult for them and it’s easier to learn half the time.

We have to be honest that many of us are not where we want to be when it comes to davening. So we rattle off yotzros. And vehu rachum. And selichos. And countless other tefillos. Ideally we should all learn the beauty of davening and join super slow minyanim that allow us to say every word leisurely. But is that realistic? Two and a half hour shacharis on a Monday-Thursday of assures yimei teshuva anyone? (There actually isn’t physically enough time between sunrise and tzeis on Yom Kippur to slowly say all of the davening and piyyutim that many Kehillos say.) But that’s not the reality. We can select some parts to have more כוונה or we can resign ourselves to rattling off everything hoping it counts for having said it. I don’t think the latter is what we are meant to do. Obviously slower and more כוונה is the ideal we should all strive for, but don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good...



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