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Is it really possible to say every word in the tiffilah in the amount of time they do it?

Yes
No,impossible.
Every other word.
Thats why I daven nusach askenaz.
I end up skipping it because I would be the last one in the shul.

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I admit it. See attached. I also plead guilty to skipping some of the kinnos (from the ones not written by Rav Elazar Hakalir) such as some of the ציון ones if I find that one or more of the kinnos connects with me particularly , and I want to take it slow because that kinnah brings out emotions of the churban and galus. I find that preferable to rattling off all of the kinnos just to have gone through all of them. (The maharil did not say all of the kinnos).

By the avoda of Yom Kippur I had a hard time with the אמיץ כח piyyut. The language is difficult (along with some of the phrases such as והפר צווי כפתי) so I say the sefard version that is clear and allows me to understand and connect to  what I am saying.

I think that many of us are just not willing to admit that we need work on our davening. In the fairly yeshivishe place where I daven on shabbos the reason the guys are running for the seforim the moment they come in, and spend much of davening learning, is not because they simply can’t  tear themselves away from learning; its because davening is difficult for them and it’s easier to learn half the time.

We have to be honest that many of us are not where we want to be when it comes to davening. So we rattle off yotzros. And vehu rachum. And selichos. And countless other tefillos. Ideally we should all learn the beauty of davening and join super slow minyanim that allow us to say every word leisurely. But is that realistic? Two and a half hour shacharis on a Monday-Thursday of assures yimei teshuva anyone? (There actually isn’t physically enough time between sunrise and tzeis on Yom Kippur to slowly say all of the davening and piyyutim that many Kehillos say.) But that’s not the reality. We can select some parts to have more כוונה or we can resign ourselves to rattling off everything hoping it counts for having said it. I don’t think the latter is what we are meant to do. Obviously slower and more כוונה is the ideal we should all strive for, but don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good...
Well said very true.
 Not enough that you say every word, how many actually understand what they're saying?
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Not true as it is mekubel by us that this paragraphs with the alef beis is the most important part of the selichos!!
Who’s the “us” that you refer to ? I know a yeshiva that says all slichos and doesn’t say the piyutim at the end with the aleph bais.

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Who’s the “us” that you refer to ? I know a yeshiva that says all slichos and doesn’t say the piyutim at the end with the aleph bais.
I think he meant that there is a mekor from the gemara for those piyutim, as opposed to most of the rest of selichos(with the obvious exception of 13 attributes)

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I think he meant that there is a mekor from the gemara for those piyutim, as opposed to most of the rest of selichos(with the obvious exception of 13 attributes)
The "us" is the chasidesin from the Chernobyl strip
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The "us" is the chasidesin from the Chernobyl strip
Chernobyl is a strip?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Chernobyl is a strip?
Sorry for my  English
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Sorry for my  English
In English you would probably say "lineage" or "sects", in regular english the word is obviously "strip" (follow the link in my signature line if you don't understand what I just wrote).
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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In English you would probably say "lineage" or "sects", in regular english the word is obviously "strip" (follow the link in my signature line if you don't understand what I just wrote).
so i wasn't so bad this time :)
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so i wasn't so bad this time :)
Anything then gets @ExGingi started about "regular English" is a problem in itself.
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Same with the end of selichos, somehow the chazzan can rip through like 6 solid pages.

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Today made history, I actually finished before the chazzon finished! Did my kriah get better? Or did the chazzon go slower than usual?
   (No I didn't skip anything, I'm almost sure I said all the words.) Try to daven out loud to avoid that issue.
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This chazonim go with the shitah of the chofetz chaim that a person could say 200 WPM (words per minute) ;)
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